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« on: March 28, 2010, 05:18:25 AM » |
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Played recently in my local casino where the following happens :
5 way multi limped pot.
After betting on the flop there is the big blind and myself in late position left
After river card is dealt big blind announces all in
I look at my cards which were in full view in front of my chips and begin to think.
Before i make any action the big blind throws his cards over the action line face down and hitting the small blinds mucked cards in the process.
I assert that his cards are now dead and make a claim for the entire pot , to which the big blind says he thought i passed.
I call over a member of staff who doesn't know the ruling , neither does his colleague so i call over the cardroom supervisor.
After explaining the situation he decides to ask the small blind what 2 cards he had , then the big blind so that they could be retrieved from the muck.
Once retrieved action was put on me to call or fold.I elected after a clock was put on me to call thinking any 2 wins the pot.The supervisor said if i can't beat his hand it would be awarded to the big blind which he did.
Had the big blind not mucked his hand i would have passed to his all in , however in this instance i called with king high on the principle any 2 were good enough.
I exited the game and stated i was not happy.
Was it a bad ruling , if so would it be reasonable for me to ask the casino for my buy in and one rebuy back?
In fairness the guy in charge may not have an official supervisory role , the supervisor was not on duty at the time.
Also it was self deal.
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marcin123
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 05:56:03 AM » |
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It's a bad ruling mate,,, the cards are dead imo but i wouldn't bother wasting time asking for any money back as that is very unlikely mate...
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 06:30:31 AM » |
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Yeah his hand is dead but I don't think there's too much for you to complain about. And lol @ tilt calling with king high out of principal.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 07:05:49 AM » |
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Yeah his hand is dead but I don't think there's too much for you to complain about. And lol @ tilt calling with king high out of principal.
indeed sounds life something you would do lol... |
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 07:31:08 AM » |
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ruling>>>>>>>>>>>call
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2010, 10:15:56 AM » |
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His cards are definately dead so you win the pot and TBO if your playing in a casino where there wasnt a TD that knew the correct ruling id be asking for my juice back
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2010, 10:17:48 AM » |
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hmmm,
1) Player A is all in on the river
2) You do not instant fold with K high
3) Player A mucks cards in error.
4) The cards are recoverable, albeit with assistance of the SB naming his cards.
5) You try to take advantage by exploiting the error
6) You then make a call figuring any two are good - WTF?
7) You object that you do not win with K high.
Class play mate
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2010, 11:52:04 AM » |
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No brainer, your decision to call was not correct
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2010, 12:40:41 PM » |
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in fairness i tried to exploit it , committing suicide at the same time , but the ruling really peed me off.
Also having a few quid on Penetant in the Lincoln at Doncaster at 3/1 was also an influencing factor
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 12:45:32 PM » |
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in fairness i tried to exploit it , committing suicide at the same time , but the ruling really peed me off.
Also having a few quid on Penetant in the Lincoln at Doncaster at 3/1 was also an influencing factor
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2010, 01:08:43 PM » |
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If this was in a cash game what would you do?
Accept the ruling or kick up a fuss.
I contemplated kicking up a fuss but decided the risk of a casino ban wasn't worth it
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2010, 02:05:26 PM » |
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If this was in a cash game what would you do?
Accept the ruling or kick up a fuss.
I contemplated kicking up a fuss but decided the risk of a casino ban wasn't worth it
err accept the ruling. If the cards he got back are def his then I don't see what the problem is. Hardly like he was trying to shoot an angle by throwing his cards away when all in. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2010, 02:26:19 PM » |
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Why did you look at your cards and begin to think?
This is one of the most tilting things about live poker. People hollywooding and playing up to cameras that arent there. Pass quickly please, you have king high.
As for the ruling, I think it's bad if your cards were in view and his hand had hit the muck. The only way some casinos (gala i believe) allow you to get your hand back is if the dealer mucks your hand in error and you can name rank and suit of both hole cards.
All around butchery.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2010, 09:07:20 PM » |
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From your post ruling is 100% correct and its a sigh that people dont see this.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 09:25:37 PM » |
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From your post ruling is 100% correct and its a sigh that people dont see this.
how can that be... his cards have hit another player's dead cards... thus making his hand dead... |
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