TT early position against another big stack

[MC]

Raise less pre...

What kinda stack does villain have?

raise size pre is fine imo.

read op!

I read the OP 775 pre ftw.

With similar stacks I fold against a nit.

[NigDawG]

An EP limping (sometimes to raise, sometimes to call) range isn't the worst idea in the world 9 or 10 handed.

To answer your question, yes we are always folding TT to the 3bet, more so against a LAG (unless they are absolutely mental, in which case we shove) because their hand range is less defined and our reverse implied odds are worse than against someone who we can put on JJ+ AK. If we're deep enough to set mine (only need 15:1 or so vs a nit, more than 20:1 vs a lag) then go for it. The reason I am ok with raise-folding is that TT is near the bottom of our range when we raise UTG+2 (pre-antes), often we will have an even better hand and won't be folding, so our fold with TT doesn't necessarily make it profitable to 3bet us with all sorts. Besides, if the guy is tight and he has 4 or 5 other players still to act behind him, he is very unlikely to be exploiting us anyway.

its live poker doubt any exploitation will be going on unless the dealer is female and barry neville is on your table/in the room

[BulldozerD]

I'd be mucking here most likely

[GreekStein]

It's pretty f simple really.

He's a nit. We've raised early with 1010. Less than 10% of the time is a nit reraising with worse.

We aren't deep enough to call and setmine or try and play like a genius post-flop OOP. Foldy moldy.

[NigDawG]

oh yeh this hand is ez fold pre

[titaniumbean]

I take it there are no antes Dan?

he's still in so I doubt it

End of thread. Epiiiiic.


(I raise fold fwiw)

[Cottonbud]

It's pretty f simple really.

He's a nit. We've raised early with 1010. Less than 10% of the time is a nit reraising with worse.

We aren't deep enough to call and setmine or try and play like a genius post-flop OOP. Foldy moldy.

[Simon Galloway]

. If we're deep enough to set mine (only need 15:1 or so vs a nit, more than 20:1 vs a lag) <snip>

I agree with 15:1 for the nit.  You have to hit the set AND have him have enough hand to want to put some more chips in ~ so 15:1 is fair.

Why do you need larger odds for the LAG?  Surely they are more likely to get their chips in far more readily by overplaying/being creative/something else that some of the time you hit your set and wonder how to get his chips in, hey presto, he does it for you?

What have I overlooked?

[Longy]

. If we're deep enough to set mine (only need 15:1 or so vs a nit, more than 20:1 vs a lag) <snip>

I agree with 15:1 for the nit.  You have to hit the set AND have him have enough hand to want to put some more chips in ~ so 15:1 is fair.

Why do you need larger odds for the LAG?  Surely they are more likely to get their chips in far more readily by overplaying/being creative/something else that some of the time you hit your set and wonder how to get his chips in, hey presto, he does it for you?

What have I overlooked?

Their range is much wider therefore they won't stack as often because jj+ is a smaller part of their range.

[Simon Galloway]

OK, but previously I'd offset them having JJ+ less of the time about the same as them spewing more often than the nit, leaving 15:1 still a fair price.  Is that not the case?

[hatthehole]

OK, but previously I'd offset them having JJ+ less of the time about the same as them spewing more often than the nit, leaving 15:1 still a fair price.  Is that not the case?

there's a difference between a LAG and a spewbox

[AlexMartin]

oh yeh this hand is ez fold pre

+1

[pleno1]

call quickly. min raise any flop. bet 1/2 pot turn and insta ship river while taking a sip of your drink tell him it;s soooooooo sick and you'll show him after hand. he wont call and we add 15k to stack.











or fold.

[railtard1]

standard fold pre... unless some crazy dynamic going on involving the 2 players involved

[NoflopsHomer]

An EP limping (sometimes to raise, sometimes to call) range isn't the worst idea in the world 9 or 10 handed.

To answer your question, yes we are always folding TT to the 3bet, more so against a LAG (unless they are absolutely mental, in which case we shove) because their hand range is less defined and our reverse implied odds are worse than against someone who we can put on JJ+ AK. If we're deep enough to set mine (only need 15:1 or so vs a nit, more than 20:1 vs a lag) then go for it. The reason I am ok with raise-folding is that TT is near the bottom of our range when we raise UTG+2 (pre-antes), often we will have an even better hand and won't be folding, so our fold with TT doesn't necessarily make it profitable to 3bet us with all sorts. Besides, if the guy is tight and he has 4 or 5 other players still to act behind him, he is very unlikely to be exploiting us anyway.

its live poker doubt any exploitation will be going on unless the dealer is female and barry neville is on your table/in the room

This deserves way more love.