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« on: December 17, 2005, 01:49:04 PM »

The following didn't happen quite like this, but I was in a similar situation last night.


It's a tournament, 7 left, 3 get paid. Blinds are 1000,2000 you have an average stack of 18,000 in the big blind. Small blind has 22,000.
You have  . It is folded round to the big blind who limps. You decide to check.

The flop comes  . The small blind bets 3k. You raise up to 13k total on the semi-bluff. Small blind considers what to do before finally calling. The small blind thought you had raised all-in and when they have called the bet, they flip over their hand  . They aplogise for the mistake and action continues as normal.

Turn brings a SB checks, you do so also. River brings a blank, the  two spades SB checks...

There is 30k in the pot. The small blind knows you are aware they have  . What would you do with your last remaining 3k?
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 02:07:27 PM »

Well I cant see him folding now, he will hope his pair is good and call. So I'd check and muck.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 02:07:59 PM »

I'd have bet the turn
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2005, 02:10:53 PM »

You've only got 3k left, he'll call no matter what, you can't bluff here.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 02:11:46 PM »

Do'h I missed that line.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 02:14:16 PM »

I'd have bet the turn

Then you will get called as your opponent has 11-1 on it and knows she has outs if she's behind. You'll be putting your last remaining tournament chips in knowing you are just over 18% to win the pot.
The only thing a bet on the turn here gets you is a tank-slap.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 02:14:58 PM »

I missed the line that said you only have 3k left!
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 02:16:06 PM »

Was this against Tess? Or another woman there last night?
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 02:20:01 PM »

I missed the line that said you only have 3k left!

Fair doos, I'll put the talc away.

Was this against Tess? Or another woman there last night?

Another woman.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2005, 02:27:29 PM »

Hmmmm interesting one - I think that you've got to bet the river if your opponent is inexperienced.  Do they know exactly how many chips you have left?  They don't have to fold too often to make this a profitable bet.  I don't think you have much tournament equity to lose anyway as you are going to have to survive a few allins to make the money.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2005, 06:23:49 PM »

In the actual hand the river card was the Two Diamonds not the two spades so I got away from the hand with 3k left. She wisely checked the river and I mucked my cards. There was no showdown as I didn't check the river, I folded, so they were mucked face down. I told the table later that I had a made straight with 56o.

I thought while the turn was being dealt that it would be a good idea to bluff the river if she missed her flush. My reasons were, my remaining chips were in small denominations so they may have been percieved as being a larger amount. If I placed them into the pot quickly and confidently on the river she may well have passed. She was already feeling a little silly to have turned over her hand when I was not all-in, I think she might have quickly folded to my bet to avoid any further embarrasment by calling with potentially the worst hand when I knew what she had. When she took so long to call on the flop I felt that she was of the mindset that she was drawing and needed to improve to win. I estimated that there was around a 30% chance she would pass if I bet and that was the plan.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2005, 06:41:22 PM »

Tank, I think if you bet the turn she would have folded, She was not aware of the poker math involved in the decision and would have folded to the bet as you already know what she has. She would not want to give you the other 3k.  Just my observation as when she turned her cards over she completely lost faith in her hand and probably would have mucked it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2005, 06:48:56 PM »

Tank, I think if you bet the turn she would have folded, She was not aware of the poker math involved in the decision and would have folded to the bet as you already know what she has. She would not want to give you the other 3k.  Just my observation as when she turned her cards over she completely lost faith in her hand and probably would have mucked it.

Not on the turn when she could still hit 14 cards to improve her hand. She wasn't THAT tight weak.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2005, 07:52:23 PM »

I am not sure mate she made some fishy plays last night and I think if you threw your chips in , she would have read it as " shit i am beat", we will never know, but Just my observation.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2005, 07:59:15 PM »

Mikky suggested the same thing, I already had the hand talced up and ready but he said it was coz he misread the post.

You can have it instead....



tank THWACK
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