horrid river OOP

[Ironside]

i check called the river as i knew my chips were going in but if i shoved river i was only getting called if beat
but by check calling i might get him to shove with weaker hands

is my thinking flawed?

PokerStars Game #42994757510: Tournament #307010493, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2010/04/21 20:37:20 WET [2010/04/21 15:37:20 ET]
Table '307010493 187' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 4epenaxaa (5935 in chips)
Seat 2: heyupsnatch (7034 in chips)
Seat 3: Rasko1666 (4975 in chips)
Seat 4: KaVectra (2786 in chips)
Seat 5: Ironside (9992 in chips)
Seat 6: Rolex.R (7241 in chips)
Seat 7: ThmT02 (9028 in chips)
Seat 8: PIankton (3170 in chips)
Seat 9: wigger82 (11755 in chips)
4epenaxaa: posts the ante 20
heyupsnatch: posts the ante 20
Rasko1666: posts the ante 20
KaVectra: posts the ante 20
Ironside: posts the ante 20
Rolex.R: posts the ante 20
ThmT02: posts the ante 20
PIankton: posts the ante 20
wigger82: posts the ante 20
Rasko1666: posts small blind 75
KaVectra: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
Ironside: raises 200 to 350
Rolex.R: calls 350
ThmT02: folds
PIankton: folds
wigger82: folds
4epenaxaa: folds
heyupsnatch: folds
Rasko1666: folds
KaVectra: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 900
Rolex.R: calls 900
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 1950
Rolex.R: calls 1950
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Ironside: checks
Rolex.R: bets 4021 and is all-in
Ironside: calls 4021

[silverslick]

The ace is a great card for him to bluff with a missed flush or straight draw so your logic stands up. With 4021 chips left you are deep enough to come back if you fold though. I think you are beat here over 80% of the time. why had you decided all the chips were going in? Did you have a read on the player?

[Ironside]

i would of had 6500 if i folded

the way the hand played i though i would be happy with check check, but if he shoved 90% of time it was a bluff after i showed weakness

[mondatoo]

I pretty much give up on the hand once he calls turn,c/f river

[Ironside]

I pretty much give up on the hand once he calls turn,c/f river

what sort of range would you put him on ?

i would have though (cash game wise) you need to put him bluffing 35% of time to make this a profitable call is this the same in MTT

[mondatoo]

I pretty much give up on the hand once he calls turn,c/f river

what sort of range would you put him on ?

i would have though (cash game wise) you need to put him bluffing 35% of time to make this a profitable call is this the same in MTT

Can't see what's in his range to call pre then call when you fire two streets and jams the river that you beat

[MANTIS01]

Seems like a pretty spewy line. No need to pot a perfect dry flop after villain calls from 2nd position imo. The pot gets out of control and your bet sizes are chiefly responsible. I don't see villain bluffing and think a flopped set or rivered two pair is much more likely.

[Ironside]

wow my last few hands posted i lost every agreed i didnt play bad, this one i won and everyone would fold, my read is unless he hit a set he would check behind river, rest of time the shove is a bluff not a vaule bet

[gatso]

I quite like the river. what hand does he play that way up to the turn that the ace helps that isn't already beating us?

[StuartHopkin]

I quite like the river. what hand does he play that way up to the turn that the ace helps that isn't already beating us?

A9 sooooooooted

[gatso]

I quite like the river. what hand does he play that way up to the turn that the ace helps that isn't already beating us?

A9 sooooooooted

of course. I missed the bit in the op where we had notes on him being a moron

[Ironside]

as i said i cant see what he flats with pre flats on flop and turn then shove the river apart from a set or a bluff
as it happens he must of though his middle pp was good

A9 i think he checks, AJ i think he folds on flop so i cant really see the shove being a big hand

[Donko]

By check-calling all in you are giving your opponent negative freeroll.

[gatso]

I quite like the river. what hand does he play that way up to the turn that the ace helps that isn't already beating us?

You could say the same thing if we had 23o, that doesn't make it a call. Got no idea how we're ahead here ironside but wp, sick read.

very much doubt we're playing 23o the same way tbh

[mondatoo]

Far to much credit is being giving to the standard donk in these $10 comps,wpwp on sick read