pretty sick spot in manc £1k

[MANTIS01]

Following your small flop bet which just gets flatted I'd prefer to fire small again on the turn. About 3k maintains the pattern nicely.

It'll stop any bluffing and make the hand easier to play oop.

Assuming he flats the turn we get an easy bet/fold river for another 5k where we get paid off if he has got one of the other sets.

As played I really can't see that he's bluffing. Fold has to be the way and if he's bluffed us then well played sir.

You've made this tough because you know how weak your line looks. If you maintain a strong line you don't level yourself in to thinking the other guy's good enough to notice you look weak and bluff shove in to you.

I think that's the main point. If your gonna regret folding you should lead the turn and make villain do something special. A weak line gets a wider range betting into you and you either want that or you don't. Ultimately it depends on villain. I would be more inclined to commit to this hand later in the comp as villain bluffs less at the start.

[buzzharvey22]

Following your small flop bet which just gets flatted I'd prefer to fire small again on the turn. About 3k maintains the pattern nicely.

It'll stop any bluffing and make the hand easier to play oop.

Assuming he flats the turn we get an easy bet/fold river for another 5k where we get paid off if he has got one of the other sets.

As played I really can't see that he's bluffing. Fold has to be the way and if he's bluffed us then well played sir.

You've made this tough because you know how weak your line looks. If you maintain a strong line you don't level yourself in to thinking the other guy's good enough to notice you look weak and bluff shove in to you.

bet/fold to leave urself with 4k chips??

[NigDawG]

bet folding vs this type of opponent would be a big mistake imo

[paulhouk03]

was ur opponent chirping?

[Royal Flush]

Errrmm i make a call

[The Camel]

If he was aggro, wouldn't he usually raise this flop with   or   ?

I think I probably sigh and call.

[typhoon13]

If he was aggro, wouldn't he usually raise this flop with   or   ?

I think I probably sigh and call.

This

[pleno1]

if he has the nuts, does he never think value betting rather than shoving? as if we have AA here which our line kinda looks like, we are never calling the river shove? So that kinda makes me want to call, like he's floated a two club, King Ten high flop that he can rep the nuts later on that we NEVER CAN HAVE. Also thoughts on flatting the 3bet pre at 25/50 or would that be horrible?

[George2Loose]

bet folding vs this type of opponent would be a big mistake imo

[EvilPie]

Following your small flop bet which just gets flatted I'd prefer to fire small again on the turn. About 3k maintains the pattern nicely.

It'll stop any bluffing and make the hand easier to play oop.

Assuming he flats the turn we get an easy bet/fold river for another 5k where we get paid off if he has got one of the other sets.

As played I really can't see that he's bluffing. Fold has to be the way and if he's bluffed us then well played sir.

You've made this tough because you know how weak your line looks. If you maintain a strong line you don't level yourself in to thinking the other guy's good enough to notice you look weak and bluff shove in to you.

bet/fold to leave urself with 4k chips??

Hopefully bet to win but yes if we have to fold then we have some rebuilding to do from 80 bigs.

[Bigfella]

think were beat close to 90% of the time here. AcJc AcQc im looking to see the most.

I've heard that this was one of the other 10% !!

[anonynon]

if he has the nuts, does he never think value betting rather than shoving? as if we have AA here which our line kinda looks like, we are never calling the river shove? So that kinda makes me want to call, like he's floated a two club, King Ten high flop that he can rep the nuts later on that we NEVER CAN HAVE. Also thoughts on flatting the 3bet pre at 25/50 or would that be horrible?

Far better line to take here shoving than to value bet.  He looks weak by doin this and the OP is more likely to call.

If he was to value bet and the OP comes over the top and he 3 bet shoved he is lesslikely to call than to shove as he did.

[MANTIS01]

if he has the nuts, does he never think value betting rather than shoving? as if we have AA here which our line kinda looks like, we are never calling the river shove? So that kinda makes me want to call, like he's floated a two club, King Ten high flop that he can rep the nuts later on that we NEVER CAN HAVE. Also thoughts on flatting the 3bet pre at 25/50 or would that be horrible?

Far better line to take here shoving than to value bet.  He looks weak by doin this and the OP is more likely to call.

If he was to value bet and the OP comes over the top and he 3 bet shoved he is lesslikely to call than to shove as he did.

After the turn there's 13k in the pot and hero has 10k left so that river action would be a surprising development.

[anonynon]

if he has the nuts, does he never think value betting rather than shoving? as if we have AA here which our line kinda looks like, we are never calling the river shove? So that kinda makes me want to call, like he's floated a two club, King Ten high flop that he can rep the nuts later on that we NEVER CAN HAVE. Also thoughts on flatting the 3bet pre at 25/50 or would that be horrible?

Far better line to take here shoving than to value bet.  He looks weak by doin this and the OP is more likely to call.

If he was to value bet and the OP comes over the top and he 3 bet shoved he is lesslikely to call than to shove as he did.

After the turn there's 13k in the pot and hero has 10k left so that river action would be a surprising development.

You are indeed correct.  I for one should not have skim read.

Anyway on another front the said same person that played this hand against the OP is on the fT.

Surprised that earlier in this thread someone mentions they are a friend of the OP and Sam Grafton (Villain accord to OP) told them their line of thought but find it strange they felt they would not post it??

On another front I have played aginst Sam more than enough times that even if I did not feel he had it with his river shove I would still  not call as he has game and game enough that he varies it enough you do not know where you are, hence final table.  The OP to this done right IMHOin whichever way you look at it by folding, he still has morethan enough BB's to carry on.

GL Sam and I am sure he will divulge all when he is done.   Here is his post on the GS  Forum and other answers from those that have played against him. http://gutshot.com/bforum/showthread.php?t=35882

[pleno1]

qc9x or acax imo.