I flop big, but his line is strong.

[pleno1]

PokerStars Game #43084694985: Tournament #265861828, $10.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2010/04/23 19:47:01 WET [2010/04/23 14:47:01 ET]
Table '265861828 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: petunia31 (1075 in chips)
Seat 2: pleno1 (1925 in chips)
petunia31: posts small blind 15
pleno1: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pleno1 [ ]
petunia31: raises 30 to 60
pleno1: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [As ]
pleno1: checks
petunia31: bets 120
pleno1: calls 120
*** TURN *** [As ] []
pleno1: checks
petunia31: bets 240
pleno1: ?

He has checked back alot of the time, and whenever he has cbet he has bet half pot. Is pre ok? Is flop ok? Turn?

On river, do we fold unless we improve? If we improve do we lead or c/s flushes / c/c 2pair/trips?

[Ironside]

HU think the call pre is ok

but you have to lead and be prepared to shove when he rr on flop

[pleno1]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

[mondatoo]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

[Ironside]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

well if your checking the flop you need to check raise your hand is strong on flop, unless you hit something on turn it isnt as strong
so you want to get as many chips in while your strong as you can

[pleno1]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

[mondatoo]

We are never that far behind and a lot of his calling range we crush

[AlexMartin]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

teach me plz

cr flop, jam turn. we get called by worse, foldout better and have sick equity v his ai range anyhow.

[pleno1]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

teach me plz

cr flop, jam turn. we get called by worse, foldout better and have sick equity v his ai range anyhow.

it's a $10 husng fwiw. I doubt we ever fold out better as he never has kq,qj with the flop bet. I dont think he has a flush draw with the pot sized bet either, basically he always always has an ace here and that's how i want to kind of approach the hand, as if he has a5 or a10 and we can somehow see his cards.

[AlexMartin]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

teach me plz

cr flop, jam turn. we get called by worse, foldout better and have sick equity v his ai range anyhow.

it's a $10 husng fwiw. I doubt we ever fold out better as he never has kq,qj with the flop bet. I dont think he has a flush draw with the pot sized bet either, basically he always always has an ace here and that's how i want to kind of approach the hand, as if he has a5 or a10 and we can somehow see his cards.

You think people never ever fold Ax or Qx here? I think they do....................(obv on the turn to the jam, not to the flop cr)

[pleno1]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

They dont fold Ax ever, and he never has a Q unless he has 2 pair, which of course he isn't folding either.

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

teach me plz

cr flop, jam turn. we get called by worse, foldout better and have sick equity v his ai range anyhow.

it's a $10 husng fwiw. I doubt we ever fold out better as he never has kq,qj with the flop bet. I dont think he has a flush draw with the pot sized bet either, basically he always always has an ace here and that's how i want to kind of approach the hand, as if he has a5 or a10 and we can somehow see his cards.

You think people never ever fold Ax or Qx here? I think they do....................(obv on the turn to the jam, not to the flop cr)

[NoflopsHomer]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

teach me plz

cr flop, jam turn. we get called by worse, foldout better and have sick equity v his ai range anyhow.

it's a $10 husng fwiw. I doubt we ever fold out better as he never has kq,qj with the flop bet. I dont think he has a flush draw with the pot sized bet either, basically he always always has an ace here and that's how i want to kind of approach the hand, as if he has a5 or a10 and we can somehow see his cards.

You think people never ever fold Ax or Qx here? I think they do....................(obv on the turn to the jam, not to the flop cr)

They never do here imo.

[AlexMartin]

i havnt led once in the match, so don't think im ever leading now. Although I sometimes like a lead, as villain can raise as hes like wtf and i have mroe fold equity when shoving, but i think im checking here close to 99% of the time.

Why are we playing a pr + fdraw so passively hu ? Sure the only reason to check is to c/r

What really?

When we shove and if we get called on the shove we're getting 1.4 to 1 on our money which means that our shove when called has to have ~41.7% equity to be +EV.

Let's say villain can see our hand and calls with all hands that beats ours:

Board: As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied   
Hand 0: 47.427% 45.42% 02.01% 79591 3514.50 { Qs7s }
Hand 1: 52.573% 50.57% 02.01% 88610 3514.50 { AA, QQ, 99, A2s+, KQs, Q8s+, A2o+, KQo, Q8o+ }

Now yeah fosho this is +ev but in these games I think I got a bigger edge and usually get the money in as big favourite/ them close to dead.

teach me plz

cr flop, jam turn. we get called by worse, foldout better and have sick equity v his ai range anyhow.

it's a $10 husng fwiw. I doubt we ever fold out better as he never has kq,qj with the flop bet. I dont think he has a flush draw with the pot sized bet either, basically he always always has an ace here and that's how i want to kind of approach the hand, as if he has a5 or a10 and we can somehow see his cards.

You think people never ever fold Ax or Qx here? I think they do....................(obv on the turn to the jam, not to the flop cr)

They never do here imo.

wtf really?!?! well then never cr bluff, wait to flop 2pair+ and exploit the fact they cant fold------ no?