bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$

[paulhouk03]

he has been raising quite often in postion with little playing back at him.


***** Hand History for Game 20994349836 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, May 20, 05:43:57 ET 2010
Table 6  050 Super Turbo KO (161463444) Table 21 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: notorious p ( $15373.00 USD )
Seat 2: BARKAS57 ( $15512.00 USD )
Seat 3: cincillo ( $24272.00 USD )
Seat 4: arkita43 ( $1460.00 USD )
Seat 6: BP_MGM_LV ( $8600.00 USD )
Seat 7: cinemike ( $18100.00 USD )
Seat 8: king bob1981 ( $16941.00 USD )
Seat 9: ewkomo ( $12352.00 USD )
notorious p posts small blind [$500.00 USD].
BARKAS57 posts big blind [$1000.00 USD].
notorious p posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
BARKAS57 posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
cincillo posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
arkita43 posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
BP_MGM_LV posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
cinemike posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
king bob1981 posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
ewkomo posts ante of [$125.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to notorious p [   ]
cincillo folds
arkita43 folds
BP_MGM_LV folds
cinemike folds
king bob1981 raises [$4000.00 USD]
ewkomo folds
notorious p raises [$14748.00 USD]
BARKAS57 folds
king bob1981 calls [$11248.00 USD]
notorious p shows [, ]
king bob1981 shows [Ah, ]

[LeKnave]

yes

[Doobs]

Terrible, he calls his entire range is he is half competent

[ChipRich]

yes

[BulldozerD]

yes

/thread

[EvilPie]

Would've been a great spot if you had a good hand.

[MC]

You're giving him two to one on a call when he's raised 4x.

[ ] He's ever folding

[paulhouk03]

what range would ppl be shoving with/

[BulldozerD]

what range would ppl be shoving with/

along way from 5 high

probs AT+KQ most pairs

just don't have enough FE to 3bet so unless you are open shoving don't think you can do it too light

[MC]

what range would ppl be shoving with/

along way from 5 high

probs AT+KQ most pairs

just don't have enough FE to 3bet so unless you are open shoving don't think you can do it too light

Did AT creep in there cos villain has A9?

Something like AJ+, 77+ looks good, maybe 66 and ATs if you're feeling frisky.

[EvilPie]

With 15 bigs and zero FE........

AQ+, 99+

This assumes no reads. May change drastically with a bit of info on villain.

Info means that I've actually seen one of the hands he's raised with. He may just be on a card rush so I'm not adjusting too much just yet.

[MC]

With 15 bigs and zero FE........

AQ+, 99+

This assumes no reads. May change drastically with a bit of info on villain.

Info means that I've actually seen one of the hands he's raised with. He may just be on a card rush so I'm not adjusting too much just yet.

This range looks a little better default range than mine thinking about it. Maybe somewhere inbetween is good, 88+, AQ+, AJs.

[Cf]

sorry paul, but lol @ that shove

he's never folding. I like MCs range for shoving.

[pleno1]

he 4x'd it? aq+ 99+.

[outragous76]

I usually take 4x as 77 thru JJ and AT AJ AQ so I like the tighter range suggested here tbh