Are england the most overrated team in world football

[TightEnd]

What I am saying is 4-4-2 doesn't cut it, leaves us short in the middle

Hypothesise


                         Hart

Johnson     Dawson      Smalling              Gibbs


                 Rodwell      Huddlestone

 Milner                    Wilshere             A Johnson

                           Rooney


plug in gosling, moses, cleverly etc where you wish



that's the sort of set up and names that might have us competitive in 2014. Begin now, try it for Euro 2012


No point picking anyone over 30 from here

[sweet potata!]

Agbonlahor.

[TightEnd]

and the advantage of having two sitters is your full backs can bomb on. Ramos. Maicon etc etc

Now find the young lads, play them in the system every chance you have...then overhype them see them fail and start again

[nirvana]

and the advantage of having two sitters is your full backs can bomb on. Ramos. Maicon etc etc

Now find the young lads, play them in the system every chance you have...then overhype them see them fail and start again

Sorry, can no longer take your foootball posts seriously now that you've used that phrase

[TightEnd]

and the advantage of having two sitters is your full backs can bomb on. Ramos. Maicon etc etc

Now find the young lads, play them in the system every chance you have...then overhype them see them fail and start again

Sorry, can no longer take your foootball posts seriously now that you've used that phrase

lol, welcome to the world of the youth coach.

but seriously, Maicon and Ramos and co can only be auxiliary wingers if the holding midfielders sit in and cover. Watch Barry again v Germany...caught too far up the pitch repeatedly, and nowhere when they countered.

[nirvana]

OK, I'll let you off Mr Coach Sir :-)

Arsenal are a good example of a team that are not competitive now, since they no longer have any players who can play the holding role e.g (can't believe I'm going to say this) Grimandi.

But, more seriously, for Grimandi you could swap, Petit, Vieira, Gilberto, Edu and a whole raft of players that made our team much stronger than they are now.

[Matt.NFFC.]

What I am saying is 4-4-2 doesn't cut it, leaves us short in the middle

Hypothesise


                         Hart

Johnson     Dawson      Smalling              Gibbs


                 Rodwell      Huddlestone

 Milner                    Wilshere             A Johnson

                           Rooney


plug in gosling, moses, cleverly etc where you wish



that's the sort of set up and names that might have us competitive in 2014. Begin now, try it for Euro 2012


No point picking anyone over 30 from here

When I think about it, there's more than I thought, agree with about 7 or 8 of these picks, we just got to change the thought process and get away from the Gerrard, Lampard thing now. 

Alot of exciting attaking players there.

[The Baron]

No point picking anyone over 30 from here

Why not? Lampard at 36 may be too old but Gerrard for example will be just on the brink of 33/34 and in the shape he keeps himself in he'll certainly be playing an influential role at that stage. I also really like CBs between 30-35 as they just read the game better and dont ever panic.

[Josedinho]

No point picking anyone over 30 from here

Why not? Lampard at 36 may be too old but Gerrard for example will be just on the brink of 33/34 and in the shape he keeps himself in he'll certainly be playing an influential role at that stage. I also really like CBs between 30-35 as they just read the game better and dont ever panic.

Dawson, Cahill and Jagielka will be experienced enough by the next world cup if we get them in now. Not quite 30 i think but i'd prefer them to Terry and Rio who could be past it.
Undecided over Gerrard but deffo the end of Lampard. Cetainly wouldn't want Gerrard as captain as i don't want him to be seen as a key player for the next world cup.

[boldie]

No point picking anyone over 30 from here

Why not? Lampard at 36 may be too old but Gerrard for example will be just on the brink of 33/34 and in the shape he keeps himself in he'll certainly be playing an influential role at that stage. I also really like CBs between 30-35 as they just read the game better and dont ever panic.

Don't like this at all really. It's short term thinking. England should accept that the next 4 years or so will be a rebuilding period and they are going to be (or stay) shit for a while with the aim of success in 6-8 years.

[Trade-King]

100% agree, with the above. England should have a 18-25 strategy to start with, if you fall outside that your not in.

Lose games yes,,but gain experience and momentum over the next 6 years.

The country would be behind such a plan.

[The Baron]

No point picking anyone over 30 from here

Why not? Lampard at 36 may be too old but Gerrard for example will be just on the brink of 33/34 and in the shape he keeps himself in he'll certainly be playing an influential role at that stage. I also really like CBs between 30-35 as they just read the game better and dont ever panic.

Don't like this at all really. It's short term thinking. England should accept that the next 4 years or so will be a rebuilding period and they are going to be (or stay) shit for a while with the aim of success in 6-8 years.

Experience wins world cups though. Do we just write off 2014 then?

[gatso]

Experience wins world cups though.

like geoff hurst?

[boldie]

No point picking anyone over 30 from here

Why not? Lampard at 36 may be too old but Gerrard for example will be just on the brink of 33/34 and in the shape he keeps himself in he'll certainly be playing an influential role at that stage. I also really like CBs between 30-35 as they just read the game better and dont ever panic.

Don't like this at all really. It's short term thinking. England should accept that the next 4 years or so will be a rebuilding period and they are going to be (or stay) shit for a while with the aim of success in 6-8 years.

Experience wins world cups though. Do we just write off 2014 then?

Yes, in the same way that the Germans had the guts to write off 2010. It's the only way to actually win one, one day.

[stupidrubbish]

i wonder if the players would play better for England if they didn't give their fee to charity?

it seems to be money is the motivator at club level....