Our UTG 4-bet gets flatted...

[MC]

We're about 3x average and 4th in chips with ~70 left in a 180-man $3 rebuy (after the rebuy period).

No real read on villain except he is proudly displaying his BronzeStar so am assuming he's a random donk...

Sighaments @ the flop. Do we have to go for a check-fold here and give up a huge pot?

PokerStars Game #46352828031: Tournament #288744287, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2010/07/04 23:44:09 WET [2010/07/04 18:44:09 ET]
Table '288744287 4' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Dowie2009 (16925 in chips)
Seat 3: supapa77 (38481 in chips)
Seat 4: Pepske (5790 in chips)
Seat 5: Kasssina (8110 in chips)
Seat 6: cisareo (2230 in chips)
Seat 7: epitomised (27707 in chips)
Seat 8: milan8050 (9300 in chips)
Seat 9: PaXaNiCH (7000 in chips)
Dowie2009: posts the ante 75
supapa77: posts the ante 75
Pepske: posts the ante 75
Kasssina: posts the ante 75
cisareo: posts the ante 75
epitomised: posts the ante 75
milan8050: posts the ante 75
PaXaNiCH: posts the ante 75
Kasssina: posts small blind 400
cisareo: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [ ]
epitomised: raises 917 to 1717
milan8050: folds
PaXaNiCH: folds
Dowie2009: folds
supapa77: raises 917 to 2634
Pepske: folds
Kasssina: folds
cisareo: folds
zebkiwi is connected
epitomised: raises 6557 to 9191
supapa77: calls 6557
*** FLOP *** [ ]
epitomised:

[Longy]

Ugh this is such a yucky spot.

I probably check/fold, can't see villain bluffing us off the best hand often and if we do get it in we are behind the vast majority of the time.

[Skgv]

honestly think u r in front here an def dont check fold! he cant have ace q an ace king higley ul as wouldnt he shove pre flop? this online toruney right ? Maybe ive got it all wrong as dont really play nl on,ine in tourneys! you can even make him pass kk! Random gut feeling guess he has 1010 but your stack siize is awkard as u cant bet half pot without being committed? going on bet 5k an pass if he reraises!

[outragous76]

its a check fold for me - besides if you had AA you would check anyway so you might get to show down

btw - its not a cold call he 3 bet you pre

I just cant see what hand you are beating that he flats with (maybe JJ if he is terrbible?) - if he checks behind then maybe stab the turn?

[boldie]

yuck..hate this spot...and I always take a stab at it even though I know I probably shouldn't

[maldini32]

its a check fold for me - besides if you had AA you would check anyway so you might get to show down

btw - its not a cold call he 3 bet you pre

I just cant see what hand you are beating that he flats with (maybe JJ if he is terrbible?) - if he checks behind then maybe stab the turn?

fail

[AndrewT]

its a check fold for me - besides if you had AA you would check anyway so you might get to show down

btw - its not a cold call he 3 bet you pre

I just cant see what hand you are beating that he flats with (maybe JJ if he is terrbible?) - if he checks behind then maybe stab the turn?

[ ] fail

FYP

It's not a cold call.

[outragous76]

its a check fold for me - besides if you had AA you would check anyway so you might get to show down

btw - its not a cold call he 3 bet you pre

I just cant see what hand you are beating that he flats with (maybe JJ if he is terrbible?) - if he checks behind then maybe stab the turn?

fail

epic fail for you IMO

cold means not previoulsy involved in the hand

[MC]

its a check fold for me - besides if you had AA you would check anyway so you might get to show down

btw - its not a cold call he 3 bet you pre

I just cant see what hand you are beating that he flats with (maybe JJ if he is terrbible?) - if he checks behind then maybe stab the turn?

You're right it's not a cold call, however...

[  ] We beat Jacks

 

[outragous76]

its a check fold for me - besides if you had AA you would check anyway so you might get to show down

btw - its not a cold call he 3 bet you pre

I just cant see what hand you are beating that he flats with (maybe JJ if he is terrbible?) - if he checks behind then maybe stab the turn?

You're right it's not a cold call, however...

[  ] We beat Jacks

 

oh yeah - meh!

in which case def check and see if you can get to show down, just to confirm that you now beat nothing!

:-)

btw  sent you a pm on something else

[MC]

btw  sent you a pm on something else

Thanks, but I've already seen the monkey raping a frog thread, no need to link me to it so excitedly!

[dino1980]

Pre-flop question: Am I a massive nit to just flat the 3-bet as a default?

[ACE2M]

anyone think that betting 4/5k ish has any merit?

very ballsy for him to bluff you there. I just hate to rollover with such a big pot out there.

[outragous76]

anyone think that betting 4/5k ish has any merit?

very ballsy for him to bluff you there. I just hate to rollover with such a big pot out there.

but you are betting it into a 20k pot and it screams "jam and ill fold 99% of the time - the ohter 1% i have AA (ok so its like 12% but whatever)

a check call would look much stronger here - but you beat nothing.

I just dont think you can make a meaningful bet of your remaining stack

[Cf]

eww, what a horrible flop. Can't see how you're ever getting the chips in and winning here.

Check/fold I guess. Were you happy to get it in pre if he 5bet you? I'm assuming so...