Final table top pair

[Claw75]

Edna

aces?

Against Edna, as described, once i've seen her reaching for her chips I'm check folding.

surely not? It's not polarised to Aces, surely?

A very large %age of the time Edna has aces here - always limps with them in this kind of spot, raises most other big aces, PPs I think.  I'm happy just to let go having only invested the big blind - if she's bluffed me off, fair enough.

[ScottMGee]

If Edna is the lady I am thinking off then you are right it is Aces as a minimum.

I have only played at Luton once but recall someone laying down a K high flush to her mini check raise on the turn and sure enough she turned over the Ace high flush!

[celtic]

LOL, To say Edna has Aces here a large % of the time is laughable. I've seen Edna limp into hundreds of flops at every stage of a competition from almost every position and has probably had Aces 3-5 times maximum. Anyone who thinks Edna always has the nuts is kidding themselves.

I know the result of this hand and it hasn't changed my views.

Edna is a serial flop seeker. A10, JQ, KQ, A5 soooooooted etc are all well within her range here.

[EvilPie]

LOL, To say Edna has Aces here a large % of the time is laughable. I've seen Edna limp into hundreds of flops at every stage of a competition from almost every position and has probably had Aces 3-5 times maximum. Anyone who thinks Edna always has the nuts is kidding themselves.

I know the result of this hand and it hasn't changed my views.

Edna is a serial flop seeker. A10, JQ, KQ, A5 soooooooted etc are all well within her range here.

Only played Edna a couple of times and this is the impression I got.

I'm guessing the hand turns out bad for Tighty here?

Main reason I think this is that the hand seems ridiculously trivial with no analysis required but Rich needs to check his line.

[GreekStein]

LOL, To say Edna has Aces here a large % of the time is laughable. I've seen Edna limp into hundreds of flops at every stage of a competition from almost every position and has probably had Aces 3-5 times maximum. Anyone who thinks Edna always has the nuts is kidding themselves.

I know the result of this hand and it hasn't changed my views.

Edna is a serial flop seeker. A10, JQ, KQ, A5 soooooooted etc are all well within her range here.

She plays like you then

[Claw75]

LOL, To say Edna has Aces here a large % of the time is laughable. I've seen Edna limp into hundreds of flops at every stage of a competition from almost every position and has probably had Aces 3-5 times maximum. Anyone who thinks Edna always has the nuts is kidding themselves.

I know the result of this hand and it hasn't changed my views.

Edna is a serial flop seeker. A10, JQ, KQ, A5 soooooooted etc are all well within her range here.

does the fact she's not limped for 90 minutes then chooses to in this spot not raise any alarm bells with you at all Vinny? 

[celtic]

LOL, To say Edna has Aces here a large % of the time is laughable. I've seen Edna limp into hundreds of flops at every stage of a competition from almost every position and has probably had Aces 3-5 times maximum. Anyone who thinks Edna always has the nuts is kidding themselves.

I know the result of this hand and it hasn't changed my views.

Edna is a serial flop seeker. A10, JQ, KQ, A5 soooooooted etc are all well within her range here.

does the fact she's not limped for 90 minutes then chooses to in this spot not raise any alarm bells with you at all Vinny? 

Might be a bit strange but refer back to my other post.

[celtic]

LOL, To say Edna has Aces here a large % of the time is laughable. I've seen Edna limp into hundreds of flops at every stage of a competition from almost every position and has probably had Aces 3-5 times maximum. Anyone who thinks Edna always has the nuts is kidding themselves.

I know the result of this hand and it hasn't changed my views.

Edna is a serial flop seeker. A10, JQ, KQ, A5 soooooooted etc are all well within her range here.

She plays like you then

not really, her range is a lot tighter than mine.

[Lucky]

10 left, 5 paid

Above average stack, but not by much

blinds 1-2k, I have 28k. Only 207k in play

Luton now give 1,500 bonus chips for early arrival. Last Friday they used the "add on"  field on the screen to account for thiese extra chips.

Last night, despite my request to Callum , he didn't do this.  Chips in play would have been 46 x 4,500 (=207k) plus 32 earlies at 1,500 = 255,000 total.  It may not change anything in this hand but a nearly 25% difference in chip count is quite significant.  I think they should treat this consistently on the screens there.

[celtic]

10 left, 5 paid

Above average stack, but not by much

blinds 1-2k, I have 28k. Only 207k in play

Luton now give 1,500 bonus chips for early arrival. Last Friday they used the "add on"  field on the screen to account for thiese extra chips.

Last night, despite my request to Callum , he didn't do this.  Chips in play would have been 46 x 4,500 (=207k) plus 32 earlies at 1,500 = 255,000 total.  It may not change anything in this hand but a nearly 25% difference in chip count is quite significant.  I think they should treat this consistently on the screens there.

But do you fold, shove or call?

[BulldozerD]

despite what has been said re opponent i am still not check/folding TPGK+BD draws with a shallow stack and not convinced that it can be "aces as a minimum" (lol), whatever the result of the hand.

Richard, you said you were going to lead - surely you are not bet/folding the flop?

[MANTIS01]

The important thing to note here Rich is that your initial strategy was to lead the flop. By the definition of this action you don't polarise villain's range as just an overpair. No point leading into a big pair is there. So the range question is already answered by your thoughts and it's pointless debating it further cos you were at the table. And we're not leading for info right...no thoughts of b/folding? So we're leading to get chips in? Why don't we lead anymore when villain reaches? Leading would be a good way to get chips in against a reaching villain. Oh so we don't lead and we let her bluff an orphan pot instead. If this is what you think I don't like the mentality of wanting to CRAI after you let her bluff.

If you commit to this hand, and I think you pretty much should, I don't think CRAI will max the value. I think leading is still good and c/c is ok as well. But I think what you want to happen and how you go about making that happen is pretty conflicting in this hand.

[nirvana]

Think we have to fold pre in an unraised pot if we don't plan to get it all in here - whoever the villain is

[BulldozerD]

Think we have to fold pre in an unraised pot if we don't plan to get it all in here - whoever the villain is

folding a free flop from the BB is something only my dad would do

[nirvana]

Think we have to fold pre in an unraised pot if we don't plan to get it all in here - whoever the villain is

folding a free flop from the BB is something only my dad would do

wise man, stay out of trouble