Final table top pair

[TightEnd]

10 left, 5 paid

Above average stack, but not by much

blinds 1-2k, I have 28k. Only 207k in play

The chip leader has 60k

I am in the bb with 

chip leader limps in mid position. This is unusual. No reason why they should be limping anything with that stack, and its the first limp I've seen from them in 90 minutes same table play, when they have been big stacked throughout. Occasional unconventional play apart this is an experienced and knowledgeable player.

sb completes short stack 12k

I check

flop 

sb checks

Intending to lead, I see the chip leader already reaching for chips

I check

Leader bets 5,000

Considering the crai because AJ/JJ/TT would have raised pre. 66 maybe limps.  Just an attempt to buy an orphan pot maybe.

Your thoughts please

[BulldozerD]

i'd prolly just CRAI

[GreekStein]

I struggle to see what you mean by experienced and knowledgeable when he open limps in MP.

Experienced and knowledgeable in what field?

Yeah just get it in once he bets.

[Longines]

its the first limp I've seen from them in 90 minutes same table play, when they have been big stacked throughout.

Hasn't he just turned his hand face up as AA/KK wanting to be paid off? Seems to be a fairly common live move.

[EvilPie]

its the first limp I've seen from them in 90 minutes same table play, when they have been big stacked throughout.

Hasn't he just turned his hand face up as AA/KK wanting to be paid off? Seems to be a fairly common live move.

Erm.......

No.

Whilst it may well be AA/KK there's no way in the world this could ever be considered "face up"

[gatso]

has sb passed?

[TightEnd]

has sb passed?

yes

[EvilPie]

I'm guessing your only concern is how to extract max value and not worrying about whether or not you may be behind?

Top pair + K kicker is the immortal nuts when you've only got 14 bigs so you just need to figure out how to get him to commit to your stack.

Crai often looks like some kind of draw. This board looks like it may well connect with a lot of different hands so ship now looks like a pretty good option. Oppo can definitely call with plenty of hands that you beat.

[Longines]

Erm.......

No.

Whilst it may well be AA/KK there's no way in the world this could ever be considered "face up"

Fairy nuff.

What other handsdo you consider to be in the range of an experienced and knowledgable player who open limps - on the final table - for the first time in at least 90 minutes?

[StuartHopkin]

Erm.......

No.

Whilst it may well be AA/KK there's no way in the world this could ever be considered "face up"

Fairy nuff.

What other handsdo you consider to be in the range of an experienced and knowledgable player who open limps - on the final table - for the first time in at least 90 minutes?

Theres something misleading with the story.

Tighty says he is experienced and knowledgable.

There is 119k between 8 of the players, 15k each, 7 bigs. There is no hand he should be limping with. Therefore he obviously is experienced and knowledgable at being bad.

Therefore I would guess his limp means any pair, any two pictures, any suited ace?

Dont think we can worry about it though playing so shallow, we have top pair, get it in.

[Claw75]

its the first limp I've seen from them in 90 minutes same table play, when they have been big stacked throughout.

Hasn't he just turned his hand face up as AA/KK wanting to be paid off? Seems to be a fairly common live move.

Erm.......

No.

Whilst it may well be AA/KK there's no way in the world this could ever be considered "face up"

There are one or two players at Luton who might do this and it'd be screaming out.  Who was it Rich?

[TightEnd]

Edna

[Claw75]

Edna

aces?

Against Edna, as described, once i've seen her reaching for her chips I'm check folding.

[TightEnd]

Edna

aces?

Against Edna, as described, once i've seen her reaching for her chips I'm check folding.

surely not? It's not polarised to Aces, surely?

[EvilPie]

Ok so now you've narrowed it down to a specific player who you have played with on many occasions.

From what Claire says against this player it is a clear cut fold and I have no reason to doubt that.

You really can't ask everyone else for help because this is a very specific set of circumstances and to be honest you should know better than us.

What does your instinct tell you? If you think she only limps with huge hands then obv fold.

The standard play here is to get it in. If can come up with a good reason to fold then fold.