0.5/1 PLO Hand

[Sheriff Fatman]

Short-stack table, $50 max buy-in.

Reads:
BB is 9 tabling, fairly aggro, 35/20/10, but playing fairly robotically post flop due to the multi-tabling.
UTG is value.  Refuses to let go of good starting hands, no matter what.  Made some horrible calls on river to pot-size bets.
Nothing specific on others at the table.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Button ($22.45)
SB ($167.95)
BB ($50)
UTG ($65.50)
MP ($65.50)
Hero (CO) ($180.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with  , , , 
UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $10, UTG calls $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, SB calls $8

Flop: ($50)  , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $40 (All-In), UTG raises to $55.50 (All-In),

Hero?

[NoflopsHomer]

Ehhh? Pretty standard call now getting nearly 3/1.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Ehhh? Pretty standard call now getting nearly 3/1.

I thought so too.  Didn't quite expect what followed though.


Hero calls $55.50,
Button calls $12.45 (All-In),
SB raises to $157.95 (All-In),

Hero thinks WTF? and....


Is it a straightforward call, given the pot odds, or can we find a reason to fold here, given that we expect at least one set out there but not sure who's holding it?

[Cf]

My calculations bring it out to be $328 in the pot and $114.50 for you to call giving you 2.9:1. Easy call?

[BulldozerD]

as the crowd used to say on Bullseye....."gamble"

[doubleup]

sample of possible hands?

AsJc6sTh    25.07%    148,046    4,867
tt**            53.42%    318,304    4,498
4s7s**    14.05%    81,824    5,042
aa**          7.45%    42,979    3,525

say your equity in main pot is about 65 and say about 50 from a $200 side pot -it seems like a call.



ps I wouldn't play plo 100 at these short buyin tables - the rake will be very difficult to beat as generally you will be swapping coolers/flipping and rarely get a pot where you can outplay your opponents.

[NoflopsHomer]

Ehhh? Pretty standard call now getting nearly 3/1.

I thought so too.  Didn't quite expect what followed though.


Hero calls $55.50,
Button calls $12.45 (All-In),
SB raises to $157.95 (All-In),

Hero thinks WTF? and....


Is it a straightforward call, given the pot odds, or can we find a reason to fold here, given that we expect at least one set out there but not sure who's holding it?

Oh there's most likely going to be a set out there and we'd rather more than one if there are any but in this spot even with the NFD and no backdoor redraws I wouldn't fold in a big multiway pot given how the action has gone. SB is most likely to have a set, but it's perfectly possible that all three could have sets, anyway speculating on hands here is pointless as the flop is pretty wet just get it in and hit der spades.

[Doobs]

I just shove anyway when it first comes to me.  I kind of do this automatically, so don't get these decisions. 

Much better to hit some backdoor straight than the flush in circumstances like this...

[GreekStein]

jam flop

[NoflopsHomer]

In my experience sets are never folding anyway at plo100. Rather keep in or induce worse draws and weak two pair hands to shove that we are fav against. Also we can fold paired turns (and we never fold flop if sb shoves).

[Sheriff Fatman]

I just shove anyway when it first comes to me.  I kind of do this automatically, so don't get these decisions. 

Much better to hit some backdoor straight than the flush in circumstances like this...

I considered this, but flatted in the (what I thought was a longshot) hope of getting overcalls.  Didn't expect to it to end up in a 5-way all-in on the flop.

Anyhow, here's the rest of the hand:

Hero calls $102.45

Turn: ($473.85) (5 players, 4 all-in)

River: ($473.85) (5 players, 4 all-in)

Total pot: $473.85 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button had , , , (full house, sevens over fives).
SB had , , , (two pair, Queens and fives).
BB had , , , (two pair, Kings and fives).
UTG had ,  ,  , (full house, tens over fives).
Hero had  , , , (two pair, tens and fives).
Outcome: SB won $204.90, UTG won $265.95

I did call, thinking along the same lines as the responses posted.  However, it's arguably a piss-poor decision looking at the equities from twodimes.net, particularly if we consider the possibility that the holdings could be in a different order (i.e. if the big stack had the set of tens here, then it's a crappy spot).  Obviously results orientated to begin with but, thinking about it further, you'd have to assume that there were at least two sets out there combined with a number of flush draws which doesn't really leave many nut-flush outs in the deck.  Basically, SB's holding is about as good as I could have wished for and we're effectively coin-flipping for the side pot (and obv I don't win flips)

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=7425314
pokenum  -o kd ts tc jh  - as jc th  -   - qs qd  - kc ks  -- td
Omaha Hi: 406 enumerated boards containing
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
      166  40.89   237  58.37    3  0.74  0.413
       62  15.27   341  83.99    3  0.74  0.156
       79  19.46   323  79.56    4  0.99  0.200
       69  17.00   333  82.02    4  0.99  0.175
       23   5.67   383  94.33    0  0.00  0.057

Just started trying out the PLO cash games and thought this was a pretty spectacular hand.  No doubt you regulars out there will be telling me that the 5-way all ins will be second nature soon enough!

[EvilPie]

You're only in such shitty shape because everyone else has flush draws as well.

Just a cold one mate.

Don't worry about it.

[GreekStein]

fold pre too imo

[Woodsey]

fold pre too imo

This, wrong sort of hand to call a 3 bet with imo, cards need to work together a bit more for me..................

[Sheriff Fatman]

fold pre too imo

This, wrong sort of hand to call a 3 bet with imo, cards need to work together a bit more for me..................

Point taken, and it's an easy fold if I'd been facing a $10 3-bet to begin with, but the pot is 5-way when faced with the additional $8 call, with the likelihood that there'll be two overcalls to come so I'm expecting to call $8 into a pre-flop pot of $50.

I'm in there for the nut-flush prospect only, but it's one of those hands where I get sucked in further and further (far more of them in PLO than Holdem so I need to be wary of this I guess).