Hand from FT at Luton last night

[mondatoo]

I can't see one harsh/nasty comment on the thread,PHA is probably best part of Blonde at the minute.

PS Even vs Tighty it's a cawl.

[StuartHopkin]

OK, just stuck the raw numbers into an ICM calc.

Current equity, assuming two equal stacks of 90k, and others of 27k, 30k, 33k is £388

Equity of calling and losing is £110, obv.

Equity of winning the hand and knocking out both players is £517.

So winning the hand gains you £129 in equity, losing it loses you £278 in equity.

Assuming you're 65% favourite, as stated above, then the call loses you £13.45 on average.

(Edit: CBA to figure out the equity of winning side pots, etc.)

Im not a big ICM expert but I would assume adding the side pot in would make a big difference? The side pot is like 120k+

[Claw75]

I can't see one harsh/nasty comment on the thread,PHA is probably best part of Blonde at the minute.

PS Even vs Tighty it's a cawl.

nah never said there had been, just wondering why i bothered putting the thread up tbh.  I know the correct play from a +EV point of view, I also know that the fold was the right decision for my circumstances, so pretty pointless really is all.

[Sheriff Fatman]

OK, just stuck the raw numbers into an ICM calc.

Current equity, assuming two equal stacks of 90k, and others of 27k, 30k, 33k is £388

Equity of calling and losing is £110, obv.

Equity of winning the hand and knocking out both players is £517.

So winning the hand gains you £129 in equity, losing it loses you £278 in equity.

Assuming you're 65% favourite, as stated above, then the call loses you £13.45 on average.

(Edit: CBA to figure out the equity of winning side pots, etc.)

Im not a big ICM expert but I would assume adding the side pot in would make a big difference? The side pot is like 120k+

Yeah, but I'd need to press more buttons and might get a headache.  I'm also expecting someone else to do the full calc!

[titaniumbean]

You should not be playing the event if the difference in prize money makes that big a difference.

playing as a social thing rather than anything else, but once i've made the money and it's going to make a fair bit of difference to me if i'm moving up a place or two, then is it such a big deal to try to ladder? 

as a social player, surely a big win would be preferable to the odd mincash here and there?

if you have any respect for the two players games involved in the hand then you should be fist pumping this in.

[titaniumbean]

seems pretty conclusive that getting them all in was the way to go - the table was divided.  I found a fold.  Probably more driven by personal circumstances (i.e. laddering up a place or two would make a huge difference to me atm) than thinking it was the right play.

A live field wont give you as good an answer as PHA imo.

[AndrewT]

just wondering why i bothered putting the thread up tbh. 

Tighty obv pressurised you to do it to advertise what a LAG he is by shoving AK.

[TightEnd]

lol thread all my fault, sorry Clairebear

[Claw75]

You should not be playing the event if the difference in prize money makes that big a difference.

playing as a social thing rather than anything else, but once i've made the money and it's going to make a fair bit of difference to me if i'm moving up a place or two, then is it such a big deal to try to ladder? 

as a social player, surely a big win would be preferable to the odd mincash here and there?

if you have any respect for the two players games involved in the hand then you should be fist pumping this in.

yeah ordinarily, but without going into too much detail about my personal circumstances, laddering a couple of places here is the difference between me being able to play one more comp over the next few weeks or a few, and going to luton now and again is a big part of what's keeping me sane at the moment.

[Claw75]

lol thread all my fault, sorry Clairebear

correct. i forgive you prewdiepants x

[Nico29]

OK, just stuck the raw numbers into an ICM calc.

Current equity, assuming two equal stacks of 90k, and others of 27k, 30k, 33k is £388

Equity of calling and losing is £110, obv.

Equity of winning the hand and knocking out both players is £517.

So winning the hand gains you £129 in equity, losing it loses you £278 in equity.

Assuming you're 65% favourite, as stated above, then the call loses you £13.45 on average.

(Edit: CBA to figure out the equity of winning side pots, etc.)

Im not a big ICM expert but I would assume adding the side pot in would make a big difference? The side pot is like 120k+

Yeah, but I'd need to press more buttons and might get a headache.  I'm also expecting someone else to do the full calc!

Obv don't know utg's range personally so i'll just assume he's an average live nit.

Personally i'd expect some1 to ship any pp and all aces and any broadways and even some std cnctrs.

But it's prob best to go for a worse case scenario and thus give him a tighter range for the smaller main pot.

Thus his shipping range with 9bbs i'd assume to be like 66+ and aj+.

This gives OP 48% against the 26% of the other two.



Just in case this helps for the ICM calc.

[DMorgan]

If laddering up a couple of spots 5 handed was a significant different to you then surely winning is very significant money and you should be doing everything that you can to win?

[Claw75]

If laddering up a couple of spots 5 handed was a significant different to you then surely winning is very significant money and you should be doing everything that you can to win?

yeah would make a bigger difference obv, but i'm more than happy if i come away with, say, 3rd place money (i.e. the gamble between 5th and 1st place money is not worth risking 3rd place for, if that makes sense)

[titaniumbean]

You should not be playing the event if the difference in prize money makes that big a difference.

playing as a social thing rather than anything else, but once i've made the money and it's going to make a fair bit of difference to me if i'm moving up a place or two, then is it such a big deal to try to ladder? 

as a social player, surely a big win would be preferable to the odd mincash here and there?

if you have any respect for the two players games involved in the hand then you should be fist pumping this in.

yeah ordinarily, but without going into too much detail about my personal circumstances, laddering a couple of places here is the difference between me being able to play one more comp over the next few weeks or a few, and going to luton now and again is a big part of what's keeping me sane at the moment.

Then that's fine, ladder all you can and next time you feel more comfortable in a spot like this it's one finger in air time.

[Claw75]

You should not be playing the event if the difference in prize money makes that big a difference.

playing as a social thing rather than anything else, but once i've made the money and it's going to make a fair bit of difference to me if i'm moving up a place or two, then is it such a big deal to try to ladder? 

as a social player, surely a big win would be preferable to the odd mincash here and there?

if you have any respect for the two players games involved in the hand then you should be fist pumping this in.

yeah ordinarily, but without going into too much detail about my personal circumstances, laddering a couple of places here is the difference between me being able to play one more comp over the next few weeks or a few, and going to luton now and again is a big part of what's keeping me sane at the moment.

Then that's fine, ladder all you can and next time you feel more comfortable in a spot like this it's one finger in air time.

absolutely