Is Vicky Coren that naive?

[Laxie]

To Laxie

Apology accepted and I most certainly do not wish for you to stay away from topic. I don't know if you are female, but judging by your avatar you are and I'm interested in Ladies views on this.

Back on track.  I suppose I just felt the term 'naive' was a bit strong...at the very least.  

The poker world is a small one in the grand scheme of things.  You run into many characters and obviously not all of them are going to be good characters.  Some of us tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.  I happen to be one of them, but I can't speak for Vicky.

You also have to keep in mind, she's a high profile poker player as well as journalist.  She has to keep her 'professional cap' on at all times.  Can't be easy.  Again, not speaking on her behalf, but I'd imagine there are plenty she'd quietly do without.  However, we're such a small community and she has no choice but to deal with the lot...as it's her job.  

Rubbish table/forum talk is one thing.  I have 'friends' who's views I disagree with.  Doesn't mean they're always bad people or I'm naive for calling them friends.  (Acquaintances is probably a better term.)  But I can assure you, if I ever found out one of them was guilty of something similar - I'd find it very difficult to write an article as well as she has with regards to that person.

And that's just my 2 cents.  From this female's point of view.

Now then.  I have a match to get to.  Happy debating Folks and come ooooooooooooon CORK!!!

[MC]

Verdict: Vicky Coren is a bloody good writer

[thetank]

zomg, you said a bad thing, your can't be my friend anymore

don't think many of us would have many friends left

don't think many of us would have many prostitutes left either

[redsimon]

After reading her article in the Guardian, is Vicky that naive?

I like her generally and was shocked that she liked a man who laughed at cancer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/ron-fanelli-wanphen-pienjai-poker

It was in The Observer a week ago and leave Vicky alone... she's smoking hot

[doubleup]

Like the ones who start a thread on 2+2 forum about "News ways to abuse people".

lol pls be levelling or never post in a forum again.

Have you read that 2+2 thread - it is very funny and not at all about diagf type abuse.

VCs article was published last week and has already been done to death in several forums - joining these discussions of course isn't enough for you.

[Herbie H]

To Laxie

Apology accepted and I most certainly do not wish for you to stay away from topic. I don't know if you are female, but judging by your avatar you are and I'm interested in Ladies views on this.

Back on track.  I suppose I just felt the term 'naive' was a bit strong...at the very least.  

The poker world is a small one in the grand scheme of things.  You run into many characters and obviously not all of them are going to be good characters.  Some of us tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.  I happen to be one of them, but I can't speak for Vicky.

You also have to keep in mind, she's a high profile poker player as well as journalist.  She has to keep her 'professional cap' on at all times.  Can't be easy.  Again, not speaking on her behalf, but I'd imagine there are plenty she'd quietly do without.  However, we're such a small community and she has no choice but to deal with the lot...as it's her job.  

Rubbish table/forum talk is one thing.  I have 'friends' who's views I disagree with.  Doesn't mean they're always bad people or I'm naive for calling them friends.  (Acquaintances is probably a better term.)  But I can assure you, if I ever found out one of them was guilty of something similar - I'd find it very difficult to write an article as well as she has with regards to that person.

And that's just my 2 cents.  From this female's point of view.

Now then.  I have a match to get to.  Happy debating Folks and come ooooooooooooon CORK!!!

Excellent post and I agree totally.

[Herbie H]

Like the ones who start a thread on 2+2 forum about "News ways to abuse people".

lol pls be levelling or never post in a forum again.

Have you read that 2+2 thread - it is very funny and not at all about diagf type abuse.

VCs article was published last week and has already been done to death in several forums - joining these discussions of course isn't enough for you.

You are one who should not post in a forum, with pearls of wisdom like this. You should become a footballer, sounds right up your street.

[MrDickie]

I've shared tables dozens of times with TWO poker players who are currently charged with Murder.

So this is what happens if you share a table with TK for too long.

[TightPaulFolds]

I've shared tables dozens of times with TWO poker players who are currently charged with Murder.

So this is what happens if you share a table with TK for too long.

lol wp

[mouth]

As an aside..dunno wot it is about Vickey, but i think she is proper cheeky and as most men are sexiest..i will resort to type...

so i wouldnt mind giving her one  

You find men sexiest?

LOLZ got a bit excited thinking of a cheeky woman who loves poker..sigh

 

[bobby1]

Vicky is certainly not naive and is a really good author too.

She aint too shabby at poker either!

[Herbie H]

OK, This was my take on this Man? and Vicky's article:


Another Poker player, another murder.

What is it with some poker players nowadays? Why do some poker players feel they can carry out their heinous crimes in the far flung reaches of this world? Another ex-regular in the world poker circuit has admitted to the murder of a Thai woman in Wanphen Pienjai, Thailand.

The guilty man this time is Ron Fanelli (Mad Yank), as he was known in some circles and he was a well known face around the London poker scene. In fact, one journalist Vicky Coren, a writer for the Guardian, even described him as “a friend”, in a recent article. Fanelli an ex-US navy veteran travelled frequently and was known for his outlandish behaviour. I guess this is where his nickname Mad Yank stemmed from?! I did not ever meet this man, but he clearly had a love him or hate him personality.

The murder reported in the Phuket Gazette, took place after Fanelli met a Thai lady in the Sweetheart bar, Phuket. After talking for some in the bar, they both went back to Fanelli’s home and during a sordid exchange Fanelli flipped accusing her of being a money grabbing whore. Yeah for sure, Fanelli she may well have been, but that is the type of woman he craved. He demanded a lady who would bow down at his knees, pay homage to the mighty MadYank. After marriages, came and went like his poker fortune, his deluded ideas about women were there for all to see.

Fanelli, then proceeded to murder the defenceless women, dispose of her body in a suitcase. Seemingly unconcerned about his crime, he was finally arrested and upon answering the question. “Are you Mad Yank?” He quipped “Yeah, but that was a long time ago”. Admitting to murder Fanelli now faces jail in one of the toughest prisons in Thailand. I’m sure the hard man will receive a warm welcome.

In the article,  the Guardian have a quote from an old poker talk show in which Mad Yank appeared, answering the question “What is the worst thing you’ve done?” and this was his answer “Me? I'm an angel. I've never done anything bad. Well, I guess I've made a few people cry. I don't like getting unlucky. There was that time I told everyone at the table I hoped they'd die of cancer. Other than that, I've never done anything bad."

Says it all really, Unlucky for you this time!



 

".....Another Poker player, another murder...."

I've shared tables dozens of times with TWO poker players who are currently charged with Murder. A friend, well known & respected on this Forum, as well as knowing those two very well, says he knows of two other Poker players who, in the last year, have, allegedly, murdered their wives or partners, & been charged.

I only knew 2 of the 4. I was, in the poker sense, "friends" with them both. Things change though, when their crimes come to light.

I think there is a more and more disturbing trend amongst some of the international poker community. Over the past few months I have heard of, and written about several poker players who have murdered people in foreign countries under the banner of poker player.

Just recently we had Fanelli, Van der Sloot, some nut-job in Vegas who's name escapes me(who killed a dealer) and countless others.


My only personal opinion is that it would be a good thing, if the poker community frowned upon these odious individuals rather just shrugged it off with a "he is OK, but he may murder someone" type of comment. The new-age poker player is rapidly becoming as dis-liked as the professional footballer, who also treat everyone with contempt.

Maybe it is because some of them have never had to work in the real world and have no social skills, other than to be obnoxious.

[rex008]

I think there is a more and more disturbing trend amongst some of the international poker community. Over the past few months I have heard of, and written about several poker players who have murdered people in foreign countries under the banner of poker player.

Just recently we had Fanelli, Van der Sloot, some nut-job in Vegas who's name escapes me(who killed a dealer) and countless others.


My only personal opinion is that it would be a good thing, if the poker community frowned upon these odious individuals rather just shrugged it off with a "he is OK, but he may murder someone" type of comment. The new-age poker player is rapidly becoming as dis-liked as the professional footballer, who also treat everyone with contempt.

"Countless others"? Countless? Really? That's just hyperbole. Unless you're including those murderers who also play poker; given poker is played by some 5% of Americans and there are around 16000 murders per year, so you'd expect 800 murders by people who play poker. But I'd give you reasonably long odds that the number is actually lower than that, given a large proportion of US murders are gang related, and I can't see many gang members 20 tabling $1/$2 NL on Stars.

So yes, the odd murder has been committed by someone who also plays poker. A larger proportion of murders are committed by someone who thinks selling heroin for a living is ok. Are you saying that a poker player murdering someone should be condemned more than a drug dealer murdering someone?

I also don't see anyone coming out with "he is OK, but he may murder someone". Ever. Coren's article is written in hindsight. If she'd written it before he murdered someone she should be comatose in a big bath of water with Tom Cruise keeping an eye on her. And she's obviously not condoning it or shrugging it off. Pretty much just saying that he often pissed people off at the table, but she couldn't have imagined at the time that he would kill anybody.

Why are you getting so worked up about what she's written? She isn't saying it's ok.

Maybe it is because some of them have never had to work in the real world and have no social skills, other than to be obnoxious.

I've met plenty of people who do work in the real world who have no social skills and are obnoxious.

[thetank]

Who are we supposed to be frowning on?

The pokey players who murder people or the poker players who may one day murder people because they're obnoxious?

If the former, pretty sure we already do. If the latter then we're frowning on 4/5 poker players and only missing the quiet ones who keep themselves to themselves, and I suppose that's ok coz they never turn out to be murderers

If you didn't get that Vicky Coren frowns on the actions of a murderer there then it's a bit of reading comprehension fail on your part.

If you would have wanted her to claim that she never liked the guy really, and given reasons why, then I'm sure she could have knocked out a piece like that really easily. Only thing is that would have been aftertiming of the highest order and that's something that poker players revile.

Glad you came on here to talk bollox, made me appreciate the article more. Vicky Coren really can write. You should read all her stuff, you might learn something.

[Herbie H]

I have not said she is a bad writer anywhere and I have said I noticed this trend recently. Time will tell, whether a more unsavoury contingent are joining the community.

Don't know what heroin dealers have to do with anything, the death clearly comes with that shit profession.

Tank if you can not see that unreasonable behaviour is sometimes attached to lunatic's, then perhaps you will be the next one righting about a "good friend".