Ruling

[outragous76]

Playing Live


dont know how relevant the action is but

I raise QJ pre from sb - 1 caller (previous limper)

Board comes Q 2 8 K 8

Action: i bet he calls.......... I then check call turn, and then on the river i check - he bets 800 into like 2k

I say call (but dont throw my chips out as im pretty certain im good)

I roll my hand over infront of my chips, like literally just flip then as they  sit
 
(i have head phones in and the other guy just pushes his cards forward face down)

The deal picks up my cards, uses them to scoop the board and pushes the pot to the other guy

I obv complain - he said I hadnt called - i said obv I did  - why have i shown my hand

(FWIW dealer was clueless and could barely deal  let alone pay attention to what was going on)

I called for a ruling, ruling went in favour of the other guy - as the dealer didnt hear me say call because  he wasnt concentrating - other players at table werent paying attention (and no one 'heard me' - orly!)


ruling should be?

[gatso]

ruling is fine if the dealer hasn't heard you

next time take your headphones off, put chips in the pot when you make a call and don't let the dealer have your cards until he's pushing you the chips

[outragous76]

ruling is fine if the dealer hasn't heard you

next time take your headphones off, put chips in the pot when you make a call and don't let the dealer have your cards until he's pushing you the chips

i find this very difficult to believe - how come the other guy doesnt need to show (grosvenor rules)

[gatso]

because as far as everyone except you is concerned he bet and you mucked faceup. why should he show?

[Alverton]

ruling is fine if the dealer hasn't heard you

next time take your headphones off, put chips in the pot when you make a call and don't let the dealer have your cards until he's pushing you the chips

If he doesn't hear you then assumed you could be just show/folding your hand.

I don't think I've ever trusted a dealer to sort out my winning pot enough for this to happen.

[outragous76]

ruling is fine if the dealer hasn't heard you

next time take your headphones off, put chips in the pot when you make a call and don't let the dealer have your cards until he's pushing you the chips

If he doesn't hear you then assumed you could be just show/folding your hand.

I don't think I've ever trusted a dealer to sort out my winning pot enough for this to happen.

ASSUMED - wp sir

i also dont show mucked hands - part of my point with the floor person

and yes i agree on bad dealers - i genuinely thought the other guy had mucked - and to be quite frank - im pretty sure he did muck and was an angle shooting prick

[gatso]

you're probably right that he was angle shooting but how could the td rule any different? dealer didn't hear you call and you didn't put any chips in the pot so there's no call and therefore no showdown. makes no difference here if you're right, he has to rule as he did

[AndrewT]

If you had your headphones in how do you know you said call loudly enough?

[outragous76]

is that a joke

[AndrewT]

Er, no. Why would it be?

You reckon you said it loudly enough, yet it seems no one else heard you, and probably even you didn't hear you.

[gatso]

exactly, which is why I told you in my first reply to take your headphones off next time

[GreekStein]

If you had your headphones in how do you know you said call loudly enough?

i actually thought this guy!

[WarBwastard]

To be fair, from the dealers point of view if he really hasn't heard you it does look like you've folded and are just showing the guy what you're folding.

If you've established the dealer is a bit of a prat, then you ought to treat him like one and just do everything by the book.  Don't assume anything.  And take your headphones out.

[SuuPRlim]

So tez when stuff like this happens because you get made to feel like your the one angle shooting which is so infuriating you get angry and look even more like your in the wrong...grrrrr ul
In some places when the action is HU and your closing its fine to reveal your cards. If this is the case then you flipping your hand over (providing they havent touched the muck) shouldnt kill your hand, however if that isnt the case then sigh gg you.

I know its annoying for me to say but i really do just always throw chips into a pot when i call, saves these problems + I can do it all stylish and pretend im durrrr

[Cf]

The way it's gone down I think the ruling is right. You should be more careful to make sure you speak clearly and put chips in the pot. Not saying you've done anything wrong as such but you certainly haven't helped yourself.

However. I would have a bit of a whinge about the dealer. This whole situation would have been avoided had he followed correct procedure. That is, the pot should be pushed before the board is destroyed. Had it gone down this way you point out as he's pushing the pot that you called and the other guy can show his hand and let his cards speak. Easy.