APAT Tournaments - DTD

[gatso]

I have to say that my starting table (the one you came over to with dai on my right) was the best standard I've ever been sat at at the start of a tourney, I was amazed tbh. bet sizing was spot on constantly, there was no limping from anyone at any point and no soft spots/easy targets.

"If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker"

Mike McDermot - Rounders 1998

sigh, so true

[Rod]

I have to say that my starting table (the one you came over to with dai on my right) was the best standard I've ever been sat at at the start of a tourney, I was amazed tbh. bet sizing was spot on constantly, there was no limping from anyone at any point and no soft spots/easy targets.

"If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker"

Mike McDermot - Rounders 1998

sigh, so true

I have never seen a sucker on any table I have ever played on, I must just run bad :-)

[Rod]

a) The size of the Raises, relative to the Blinds. At 10k-20k (+ RA) 45k seemed the norm, & the view was raised that it was a little small.

an alternative view would be that it shows how much better the players are in these tournies compared to when apat started and how people now know how to make the correct raise size

I have to say that my starting table (the one you came over to with dai on my right) was the best standard I've ever been sat at at the start of a tourney, I was amazed tbh. bet sizing was spot on constantly, there was no limping from anyone at any point and no soft spots/easy targets. I know the whole field wasn't like that, far from it, it was just a pretty sick draw but there really are some good players now at apat events who know their stuff

So explain how it ended as a 1-2 for the Welsh, of all people?

This explains it quite well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9uMJovuA_Y

[sofa----king]

a) The size of the Raises, relative to the Blinds. At 10k-20k (+ RA) 45k seemed the norm, & the view was raised that it was a little small.

an alternative view would be that it shows how much better the players are in these tournies compared to when apat started and how people now know how to make the correct raise size

I have to say that my starting table (the one you came over to with dai on my right) was the best standard I've ever been sat at at the start of a tourney, I was amazed tbh. bet sizing was spot on constantly, there was no limping from anyone at any point and no soft spots/easy targets. I know the whole field wasn't like that, far from it, it was just a pretty sick draw but there really are some good players now at apat events who know their stuff

So explain how it ended as a 1-2 for the Welsh, of all people?

good coaching id say.,.,,lot of talent in wales atm.,..,.me .,.,roberto.,.,., ben.,.,etc.,.,

[paulpitchford]

As part of the added value offered to APAT's players sponsors Betfair Poker offered an entry into WSOP-E Event 3 worth £1,075 to the Winner of the Player of the Festival, with points scored according to aggregate final table finishing positions across the series. The Winner, for the second year running, was Paul Pitchford, who finalled two events this year and he now heads to London in September to play this event

well done Pitchy, need to keep the tun of form up for another month 

Thank you very much.

2 fantastic weeks of poker to follow - hopefully!

Paul.

[BAM]

I have to say that my starting table (the one you came over to with dai on my right) was the best standard I've ever been sat at at the start of a tourney, I was amazed tbh. bet sizing was spot on constantly, there was no limping from anyone at any point and no soft spots/easy targets.

"If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker"

Mike McDermot - Rounders 1998

sigh, so true

I was sat on your left 

...but apart from you did you not think seats 1,2 and 8 were easy spots?

[gatso]

yeah, was being polite about seat 2 tbh who did call everything pf and fold to every single cbet became a less easy spot when replaced by the dead stack, can't remember who was in 1

8 was the guy who shoved the oesd with no fe? ignored him as I don't think we played a pot together
still a ridic sick draw compared to what I was expecting

[nosey-p]

Yes, Ben Young is a great player and I would expect him to go on and play at a higher level. He was the best player on the table and deserved to win the tournament.

I was talking to somebody today who said there was quite a bit of discussion in the commentary on on the rail regarding play at the final table and how passive it was. It did not feel that unusual to me but I would be very interested to know from some of the better players on here who saw the table (if anybody did) how they would have approached it. Should there have been more three betting etc? Was there something one of us could have done to take better control of the table?

Hi Rod.

Firstly many congrats on a splendid result. A 400+ field takes some getting through.

Yes, the Final Table commentary did make reference to the level of aggression or passivity, & it was me that raised the matter. There were 2 reasons really, as I've explained elsewhere already.

1) It was my first Live Stream commentary ever, & as it was linked to a Forum Update, I wanted to raise some issues that would prompt Forum debate & discussion, so I agreed with Simon Trumper to rev it up a bit, quite deliberately. Whatever line he took I'd take the opposite, & vice-versa. It worked!

2) "Dead air" is not a good thing on a commentary which would be sound only for many, so we needed to fill the air-time 100%. So we needed to find things to discuss, that would run & run. We alighted on 2 things that got the punters buzzing.....

a) The size of the Raises, relative to the Blinds. At 10k-20k (+ RA) 45k seemed the norm, & the view was raised that it was a little small.

b) I advanced the view - which I still hold, by the way - that 6, 5 & 4 handed on a Final Table, I would expect the Button to be bringing in a Raise in EVERY unopened pot. This never happened. In fact, the BB got numerous walks. Wisely, in the case of Seat 1, who was "walked" in the BB in successive orbits with A-A & K-K, poor fella!

I'm full of admiration for your success, & certainly it was never my intention to be critical of you - we just needed to rev up a commentary. It worked, too.

I also read that the final table was passive. I was in seat 9 who eventually finished 3rd. Early on in the FT I did raise my SB 3 times in a row for the BB to fold so I thought I would slow down, only for him to have AA and KK. I was doing ok starting off with 500k built it up to about 750k when the hand that killed me. Rod raised to about 100k I had AQ not rely wanting to see a flop I moved all in as I did the round before when Rod did the same bet but then laid it down to my all in.This time he called for is tournament life with 66 which held. So my tactics after that was to hold on for 3rd place as the jump from 4th to 3rd was £2800

Wayne