River decision

[outragous76]

How much to bet? (or not?),

(its rush btw so no reads)

(pot is like 62 i have 68 ish -  he has me covered)


Full Tilt Poker Game #23404621862: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:51:20 ET - 2010/08/27
Seat 1: outragous76 ($97.50)
Seat 2: mcoplman ($213.50)
Seat 3: barryg77 ($93.60)
Seat 4: pilifeilong ($106.05)
Seat 5: JaimzHetfield ($9.60)
Seat 6: VinceS25 ($255.60)
Seat 7: timenutten91 ($94.75)
Seat 8: dmianKK ($129.90)
Seat 9: dewster1 ($34.65)
mcoplman posts the small blind of $0.50
barryg77 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [ ]
pilifeilong folds
JaimzHetfield folds
VinceS25 folds
timenutten91 folds
dmianKK folds
dewster1 folds
outragous76 raises to $3
mcoplman raises to $10
barryg77 folds
outragous76 has 15 seconds left to act
outragous76 raises to $29
mcoplman calls $19
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
mcoplman checks
outragous76 checks
*** TURN *** [ Ah ] []
mcoplman checks
outragous76 checks
*** RIVER *** [ Ah ] []
mcoplman checks
outragous76 ?

[DMorgan]

Agree with james that its a bet/fold on the river but I'm not betting very big, $25 or so. I don't expect to really get bluffed here at all. Really really gross if he does shove but I think you gotta call just 'cos a small bet might induce a scared 2 pair to surmise that with that betsize you never have a straight so he can jam worse for value

[mondatoo]

Never checking the turn

[AlexMartin]

is 4b pre best line in rush?

[outragous76]

OK - i thought i was going to get abuse for even posting so that's a good start - it wasn't straight forward......................

4bet pre is standard, esp as this is a button raise and blind 3 bet, you get this dynamic alot in rush. I 4 bet my air here  quite often and therefore always 4 bet premiums.

James - the raise size, i have worked on this alot, and i (mostly) like folds here, as I am bluffing more than have it. I find this size works well  and 25, daft as it seems gets peels quite often (which is great when i have KK, but less so when i dont)

So to the hand, the peel is often AK, but as discussed above people do peel with all suited connectors (rarely non broadway pairs), and sometimes QQ JJ to see a non A flop prior to getting it in.

therefore we get to this hand and the river. I just couldn't put him on the T - and if he checks it then fair play to him.

I think he jams AA pre - although some people do flat so i was a little concerned.
AK - well case cards are out so less likely

so I tanked forever. I decided to jam  (mini over bet)

do we like this or not?  - i convinced myself - pretty much the reverse of dans comment (well, purporting to the villains thoughts) - lots of 2 pair hands are out there and might just get curious and if he has AA then i should have gone bust anyway!)

[SuuPRlim]

OK - i thought i was going to get abuse for even posting so that's a good start - it wasn't straight forward......................

4bet pre is standard, esp as this is a button raise and blind 3 bet, you get this dynamic alot in rush. I 4 bet my air here  quite often and therefore always 4 bet premiums.

James - the raise size, i have worked on this alot, and i (mostly) like folds here, as I am bluffing more than have it. I find this size works well  and 25, daft as it seems gets peels quite often (which is great when i have KK, but less so when i dont)

So to the hand, the peel is often AK, but as discussed above people do peel with all suited connectors (rarely non broadway pairs), and sometimes QQ JJ to see a non A flop prior to getting it in.

therefore we get to this hand and the river. I just couldn't put him on the T - and if he checks it then fair play to him.

I think he jams AA pre - although some people do flat so i was a little concerned.
AK - well case cards are out so less likely

so I tanked forever. I decided to jam  (mini over bet)

do we like this or not?  - i convinced myself - pretty much the reverse of dans comment (well, purporting to the villains thoughts) - lots of 2 pair hands are out there and might just get curious and if he has AA then i should have gone bust anyway!)

I can 100% see validation for this play, and in a vacuum might be best but I think its kinda horrible from a game theory angle, we cant even count this as a merge cos the only better hand we make him fold is AA

I think Id make this play occasionally myself but I would imagine its pretty -EV

[SuuPRlim]

actually I just read it again, this is FR pokers?
everyone is such a fkn nit in 9max that id either bet $20 hope for a cry 2p call or just check it back

check back might be best

[outragous76]

FWIW - i think rush FR plays like most 6 max tables as 5 people insta fold their hands without a 2nd thought

[cambridgealex]

Agree with james that its a bet/fold on the river but I'm not betting very big, $25 or so. I don't expect to really get bluffed here at all. Really really gross if he does shove but I think you gotta call just 'cos a small bet might induce a scared 2 pair to surmise that with that betsize you never have a straight so he can jam worse for value

so bet/fold or bet/call the river dan?!

[DMorgan]

lol yeah just read that back and its probably one of the worst posts I've ever made

Looking at it again I bet the turn. With two flush draws out there I can't see him checking the straight very often. As played though once he checks the river I would bet and I wouldn't really expect to get jammed on ever. I bet $25.

[AlexMartin]

workout his 4b calling range, there are v few 10's and/or suited cards in it. (or should be)

[pleno1]

i like a overbet, he prob has 2 pair kinda hand and if he doesnt hes going to fold.

if we bet small he calls with 2 pair+ and folds underpairs/1 pair kinda hands.

if we overbet there is like 0 10's in our 4bet range and if we were going for "thin" value with likw AK we'd bet 1/2-3/4 pot.