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« on: August 31, 2010, 12:55:44 PM » |
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This hand has been bugging me for a couple of days now so i thought i would post it to see if i am just being results orientated as i keep getting in these spots.
Tournament is £75 freezeout at Luton last friday starting stack 8000
Blinds are 200/400/25 and I have 11500 having just lost 4000 in utg+1 when a shortie shoves 4000 i ship with AK to isolate and shortie turns up K8 off and flops the 8, i pick up JJ utg the next hand and raise to 1150 and all pass round, and am now in the BB.
Villain has been moved to the table 1 orbit ago and has 45000 chips out of 460000 with 40 players left, i sat with him on my first table and he played pretty abc in position and hadnt shown down to many hands.
Villain raises to 1350 from mid pos and it folds to me in the BB what is the most +ev play here
A) Flat
B) Re-pop to 3100
If we repop to 3100 is it an easy fold to the shove?
I will post more after a few responses
ty in advance for ur input
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Andrew Charles Blacklock - Lived for those he loved and those he loved remember.
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Claw75
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 12:57:34 PM » |
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what hand do you have?
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 01:01:36 PM » |
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Whatever you have got don't 3bet/fold.
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outragous76
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 01:03:37 PM » |
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where is option c?
stick em in his eye pre?
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 01:09:12 PM » |
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what hand do you have?
sorry i have   |
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 01:14:37 PM » |
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missed off info average chip stack is 12000 so jus under average at start of hand
and yes lets add C) Ship it
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Andrew Charles Blacklock - Lived for those he loved and those he loved remember.
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outragous76
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2010, 01:15:38 PM » |
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easy ship
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2010, 01:27:00 PM » |
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Meh, you obviously want to get them in here but don't know if that's going to happen if you 3 bet to 3100 as he might flat and that's you OOP.
3 bet folding is just not going to happen, as Longy said.
Flatting is tez as it gives you the same problem of being OOP.
I don't like shoving it all in in one go but it might be the best thing to do here.
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2010, 04:22:40 PM » |
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ok i played this bad then but think i lose this however i play it. If we raise to 3100 he definatley flats or shoves as the hand plays but i decide to flat and the flop comes    . I lead for 2000 and villain insta shoves i call and he has   and out we go so cant see how i dont go broke on input so far which is to shove and villain defo calls with his stack imo. What i was leading to is i seem to be getting in these coups mid comp constantly, i have not really been through this since i first started playing si is it just a case of SIGH and move on to the next comp? |
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DMorgan
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2010, 06:13:13 PM » |
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His oversides open makes this fine to shove I think. Prefer that to 3betting anyway, and yeah its a cooler. Nothing you can do
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2010, 11:00:19 PM » |
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Think it's a cooler, but why the 2K lead on the flop if your calling a shove anyway?
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 03:10:34 PM » |
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i have 2 options raise to around 4-5k here as it is more likely to push off aj that range than 3k is. a good player will see you have 5k left and know your jamming any flop. so take this raise as 10k he may still look with a hand like aq and then fold if he misses when you jam the flop. A bad player will just see the 5k raise and then when you jam the flop and think about his own hand. i also dont mind the shove here. OR i know im gonna get slated for this the flat call  and exercise some pot control but you will probarly get coolered on this flop anyway but might be able to rescue 4k chips |
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2010, 11:04:15 AM » |
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given the fact that you were active last two hands (w AK/JJ) a 3bet pre here is almost mandatory.
Reason being you have an active image and now you have to use it to your advantage and 10s is a monster and when you 3bet pre they will just think youre going nuts raising reraising every hand and put you on a much wider range.
Given that say you 3bet to 3k, and they ship, you have to call for same reason ie you appear super laggy and arent expected to have such a strong hand.
If they call your 3bet, and you cbet 3.5k, if they ship you have to call here for same reason.
And yes youre being results oriented if youre confused that you keep running into these spots. As someone said its a cooler what you shoud be focused on did you play hand close to optimal and you did not take advantage of your perceived active image by not 3betting pre w 10s.
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 02:18:09 PM » |
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Thx for feedback everyone, think i was playing a bit without confidence after a run of beats and coolers but played dtd this weekend and chopped the friday night comp and also went deep in main event y/day getting K'od in top 50 prob jus needed the pep talk cheers all
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2010, 12:54:59 AM » |
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30bigs a TEN and a TEN looking a bit LAGGY +3x raise from a guy with loads of chips as Mr J put it superbly where is option c?
stick em in his eye pre?
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