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[pleno1]

I disagree! 100 is a lot of beans.

[mondatoo]

I disagree! 100 is a lot of beans.

Obv playing part time it would be a sick achievement.

But your the BITFB met, make it a milliball.

[rfgqqabc]

Read through your 2+2 thread, really interesting stuff. Surprised its not had a better reaction although that forum seems to go mental for the real life story and side of things, like the guy who moved out to LV etc. Bet a BBV thread gets some response this time next year though.

Will be back on skype soon hopefully. On tethered internet a lot so just playing bits and not doing much on skype like before. Playing some hu 50 and 100nl, been fun so far and doing all right so can't complain. Going to post a PHA hand that'll need your 5bet pot expertise too!

[pleno1]

Read through your 2+2 thread, really interesting stuff. Surprised its not had a better reaction although that forum seems to go mental for the real life story and side of things, like the guy who moved out to LV etc. Bet a BBV thread gets some response this time next year though.

Will be back on skype soon hopefully. On tethered internet a lot so just playing bits and not doing much on skype like before. Playing some hu 50 and 100nl, been fun so far and doing all right so can't complain. Going to post a PHA hand that'll need your 5bet pot expertise too!

Yeah the PS version is where all my friends etc will read, just posting the same on 2+2 for potentially more exposure if I ever want to do some form of excessive marketting in the future. And it takes 1 second to c+[.

Looking forward to the hand x

[pleno1]

An extract from yesterdays blog.


Oh God, what a day!!!

So work was pretty cool, some cool things developed and plans are looking great.

Managed to get some hands in and ran really well. Go to join imfromsweden for dinner and then realise I can't find my keys.



Look around for around an hour and can't find anything, 



My girlfriend is on vacation who has only other set of keys.



I ring 30 locksmiths or so, nobody answers/or can come.



I go to the police, they can't help.




Eventually I have to ring the fire brigade. The fire engine comes and they tell me they won't be able to kick the door down, but they can get the axe... My two dogs are on the other side of the door going crazy, an axe doesn't sounds so promising to me..

Eventually they break into one of the windows, climb through, find the other set of keys and then let me in. In the meantime my street, which is one way because it is so narrow, has a fire engine and 50 cars behind beeping.

Anyway I got in and my girls were v v happy to see Daddy!

Played some more and improved on the figures for the month so far.

Here's some hands first though.

ROYAL FLUSSSSHHH

$2/$4  No Limit Holdem 
Prima 
6 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com 
 
Stacks: 
UTG  pleno1 ($907.80) 227bb 
UTG+1  Player5 ($495.20) 124bb 
CO  Player6 ($400) 100bb 
BTN  Player1 ($521.80) 130bb 
SB  Player2 ($729.20) 182bb 
BB  Player3 ($418) 105bb 
 
Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) pleno1 is UTG :ac :kc 
pleno1 raises to $12, 1 fold, Player6 raises to $40, 3 folds, pleno1 raises to $88, Player6 goes all-in $400, pleno1 calls $312 
 
Flop: : :jh :tc ($806, 2 players, 1 all-in) 
 
Turn: :jc ($806, 2 players, 1 all-in) 
 
River: :qc ($806, 2 players, 1 all-in) 
 
Final Pot: $806 
pleno1 shows 
:ac :kc 
Player6 shows 
:ks :kh 
 
pleno1 wins $803 (net +$403) 
 
Player6 lost $400 


V v difficult for him to do anything here, lets say he opens 35% or so pre flop and cbets this board with a high frequency, if I make it small like a lot of the bad regs do then it opens the door for him to 3bet whilst not committing, when I make it better, although ti does have to work more often.. it basically will do exactly that.

$2/$4  No Limit Holdem 
Prima 
5 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com 
 
Stacks: 
UTG  Player2 ($196.74) 49bb 
CO  Player3 ($400) 100bb 
BTN  pleno1 ($712.60) 178bb 
SB  Player5 ($434.38) 109bb 
BB  Player6 ($153.80) 38bb 
 
Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) pleno1 is BTN :jc :qs 
1 fold, Player3 raises to $12, pleno1 calls $12, 2 folds 
 
Flop: : : :kh ($30, 2 players) 
Player3 bets $18, pleno1 raises to $61 
 
Final Pot: $66 
 


I've really been trying to maximise profits with my v v weak marginal showdown hands, here is an example where I bet small twice to induce.

$2/$4  No Limit Holdem 
Prima 
5 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com 
 
Stacks: 
UTG  Player4 ($502.90) 126bb 
CO  pleno1 ($605.30) 151bb 
BTN  Player6 ($487.10) 122bb 
SB  Player2 ($400) 100bb 
BB  Player3 ($541.08) 135bb 
 
Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) pleno1 is CO : : 
1 fold, pleno1 raises to $12, 2 folds, Player3 calls $8 
 
Flop: :jh : :jd ($26, 2 players) 
Player3 checks, pleno1 bets $12, Player3 calls $12 
 
Turn: : ($50, 2 players) 
Player3 checks, pleno1 bets $12, Player3 raises to $48, pleno1 calls $36 
 
River: : ($146, 2 players) 
Player3 bets $72, pleno1 calls $72 
 
Final Pot: $290 
Player3 shows 
:ad : 
pleno1 shows 
: : 
 
pleno1 wins $287 (net +$143) 
 
Player3 lost $144 



This one is hard to describe without the dynamics..

$2/$4  No Limit Holdem 
Prima 
6 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com 
 
Stacks: 
UTG  Player3 ($336.80) 84bb 
UTG+1  Player4 ($618.10) 155bb 
CO  Player5 ($667.50) 167bb 
BTN  pleno1 ($479.40) 120bb 
SB  Player1 ($940.60) 235bb 
BB  Player2 ($178.90) 45bb 
 
Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) pleno1 is BTN :js :ad 
Player3 calls $4, 2 folds, pleno1 raises to $20, Player1 calls $18, 1 fold, Player3 calls $16 
 
Flop: : : : ($64, 3 players) 
Player1 bets $42, Player3 raises to $116, pleno1 goes all-in $459.40, Player1 folds, Player3 folds 
 
Final Pot: $338 
 
pleno1 wins $1,021.80 (net +$542.40) 
 
Player1 lost $62 
Player3 lost $136 


Not sure if this is worth posting? But felt nice at time as villain is huge huge nemesis of mine.

$2/$4  No Limit Holdem 
Prima 
2 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com 
 
Stacks: 
SB  pleno1 ($507) 127bb 
BB  Player1 ($404) 101bb 
 
Pre-Flop: ($6, 2 players) pleno1 is SB :tc :ah 
pleno1 raises to $10, Player1 calls $6 
 
Flop: : : :qs ($20, 2 players) 
Player1 checks, pleno1 checks 
 
Turn: : ($20, 2 players) 
Player1 checks, pleno1 checks 
 
River: : ($20, 2 players) 
Player1 checks, pleno1 bets $14, Player1 calls $14 
 
Final Pot: $48 
Player1 shows 
:ad : 
pleno1 shows 
:tc :ah 
 
pleno1 wins $47 (net +$23) 
 
Player1 lost $24



andddddddddd...........

Starting Balance: $38,840
High point: $57,200
Low point: $38,840
Current Balance: $52000
How long left to complete challenge: 11 months 10 days
How much money left to complete: $86,840

[dreenie]

I read it this morning, congrats on the tournament wins, and hope u get well over your desired target.

Do u get bored of playing cash?, do u think that cash games is the place to be to consistently make the money, and how do u beat the online cash games?

[pleno1]

Holla Dreenie,

Thanks, I hope so too Needs to be $8400 each month and think we're $15ish at the moment so its nice to get off to a good start, but there will be bad months and I play part time so not easy at all. If it was EASY, then I wouldn't work, no matter how much I liked my job.

I don't get bored no, I really really like playing cash, MTT's are really boring and demoralizing, grinding so long, usually for nothing.

With cash games its so easy to get unstuck compared to MTT's, on a normal Sunday if I'm stuck 4k, there's not a lot I can do, and not quickly, in cash I can grind it out and win back the $ instantly.

Cash is king, MTT's is ok, but we've seen with the recent exclusions of certain staking stables how volatile they are. Take the best 50 MTT players in England, I bet at least 10 of them have under $10k to their name. Now take the top 50 cash game players in England, I'd say at least 40 of them will be millionaires. I may be way off, but its how it seems to me.

You beat online cash by game selecting, grinding, studying and being engrossed in the game. One thing you shouldn't do is talk closely to too many different people, or even post many hands on forums depending on your level.

If you're ok-decent then you should post a lot of hands as you will be likely making a lot of super fundamental errors, if you're good-very good then speaking to lots of good players will negatively effect you as you will pick up too many things that look good from good players, but because they all have different game plans it fucks things up and you start trying to adjust your turn ranges based on incorrect flop ranges etc. I'd recommend speaking closely with around 2-3 people who have similar game styles and game plans to you.

Also a big thing is having a bankroll, a lot of people are parents or have responsibilities, having the bankroll to sit in good games in mid/high stakes is important.

[dreenie]

Nice reply Pleno. In your opinion, how much do you need to play the cash games on-line i.e 25/50, 50/1, 1/2 etc. How much relevant to your starting bankroll would u be prepared to do in one session, and if you were to play 1/2 cash live how much would u need and do u think u can earn enough just playing live cash?

what makes the cash to mtt style so different? More patience etc?

sry for all the questions, but I am intrigued to hear the answers to these questions from someone who seems to know what they are doing.

Take care x

[SuuPRlim]

like the guy who moved out to LV etc.

sorry for the de-rail but that's my friend Matt and he's a brilliant, brilliant writer, he has his own site now www.anotherkidanotherdream.com should defo follow it imo

I disagree! 100 is a lot of beans.

You're starting with $40,000 bankroll, you're very talented, you're working ridiculously hard, your "real job" is so closely related to poker that you are still benefiting/learning/improving whilst you're doing it so it's not as part time as you make it sound...

and ofc the main reason...

YOU'RE PEEE mthrfkn LEEEENO

I'd back you at 5's on for this i think

[Marky147]

Is that moore19 or something on 2p2?

I used to read that for a good while some time back and not sure why I stopped tbh, he writes really well and headed to Vegas to take a shot at the 5/10 iirc?

I'll have to check his site out tomorrow, but I daren't start reading now as I need to go to bed

[pleno1]

Nice reply Pleno. In your opinion, how much do you need to play the cash games on-line i.e 25/50, 50/1, 1/2 etc. How much relevant to your starting bankroll would u be prepared to do in one session, and if you were to play 1/2 cash live how much would u need and do u think u can earn enough just playing live cash?

what makes the cash to mtt style so different? More patience etc?

sry for all the questions, but I am intrigued to hear the answers to these questions from someone who seems to know what they are doing.

Take care x

There should be no suggested guDeline towards bankroll management. There are sO many important thIngs to consider..

- is the bankroll separate to your life roll?
- will you be regularly withdrawing from the roll?
- how experienced are you with downswings?
- how well can you adhere to stop losses

Also on ioudly just because you have x money obviously doesn't mean you can beat y stake. With fast poker variants there's really no excuse to jump multiple levels at once. You can play a meaningful sample in a week just to have something o analyse and check over before moving up.

For example let's say you played live poker for 1 year and built up a nice ba roll for mid stakes I'd dill suggest playing 100k hands of 50nl zoom and paying an expert to look through your database, if for example you're calling too many 3bets o your turn aggression is too low then you will save a lot of money finding it out first rather than realising after you've lost 20k.

Here's an earl extract from my blog where i use a brm that is suitable for me.

Originally posted by pleno1
Ok, so I'm going to be really honest at all times in the blog about how the bankroll increases and decreases, I have a very nice life roll that I can use to supplement this roll, but the whole blog/challenge is to show how a midstakes player can successfully move up and down the limits and build a nice roll.

I have thought really long and hard about the best way to progress with bankroll management, I am going to go for the following approach

Never play a game with less than 40 buy ins in the account, start playing the level when I have 50 buy ins in the account.

This means

NL100  -> Start playing when 5,000 in account, drop down when under 4,000
NL200  -> Start playing when 10,000 in account, drop down when under 8,000
NL400 -> Start playing when 20,000 in account, drop down when under 16,000
NL600 -> Start playing when 30,000 in account, drop down when under 24,000
NL1K    -> Start playing when 50,000 in account, drop down when under 40,000
NL2K    -> Start playing when 100,000 in account, drop down when under 80,000
NL5K    -> Start playing when 250,000 in account, drop down when under 200,000
NL10K -> Start playing when 500,000 in account, drop down when under 400,000

[SuuPRlim]

Is that moore19 or something on 2p2?

I used to read that for a good while some time back and not sure why I stopped tbh, he writes really well and headed to Vegas to take a shot at the 5/10 iirc?

I'll have to check his site out tomorrow, but I daren't start reading now as I need to go to bed

Yh Mooremoney19 was his handle, he moved to punt at $5/$10 in the Bellagio was playing $10/$20 and $10/$20/$40 comfortably by the time I got friends with him. Really nice guy

[Boba Fett]

I don't get bored no, I really really like playing cash, MTT's are really boring and demoralizing, grinding so long, usually for nothing.

With cash games its so easy to get unstuck compared to MTT's, on a normal Sunday if I'm stuck 4k, there's not a lot I can do, and not quickly, in cash I can grind it out and win back the $ instantly.

Interesting, I feel the exact opposite. You only need one tournament in a day to get you out even if you brick anything else. If you're playing bad/tilted etc you can't lose more than you would have lost playing well and bricking.

In can be putting more and more of your roll in play and at risk at a faster rate and if you're playing bad/tilting your losses won't be limited.

[pokerfan]

You see the deal Dan Smith got in last weeks million ?

Ended up with $8k more than first when he won it, Incred deal tekkers.

[ruud]

You see the deal Dan Smith got in last weeks million ?

Ended up with $8k more than first when he won it, Incred deal tekkers.

Mbfn to be Dan Smith in 2012