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[celtic]

My mate is Claypole. That must be why I'm shite at poker these days.

No you were shite well before you were mates 

 

[Woodsey]

My mate is Claypole. That must be why I'm shite at poker these days.

No you were shite well before you were mates 

 

[claypole]

I can confirm I am shit at all forms of poker, including PLO8, but not as shit as Celtic

[verndog158]

I'm a fish and have won the odd NLH tourney, so I'm pretty sure Sir Pleno could do the same in another format 

#thin

[Killerkilsby]

The point is you can't make an accusation without some sort of basis. Whether Adam helped Pads is irrelevant imo. Have something to back it up rather than "your mate is a plo8 expert"

As we all did with Blatchgate we waited for proof it was "suspicious" and it cost people dearly.

I agree with you by the way i think Pads is innocent but just saying we all defend our "friends" but we should keep a balance which no1 but me is doing.

[Oxford_HRV]

Look here guys i'm fully aware that its quite a statement to make. If i want to question something, I will.

I want ppl to be aware that the only thing that led me to saying i believed he could've been ghosted/coached throughout is because he states himself that he 1 tabled the comp and felt like he didnt deserve a plo8 title, thats just a bizzare thing to include in a debrief. (surely i dont have to explain why it gets the brain ticking) He also has never spoken about playing PLO8 or really probably played any other plo8 mtts or any other mtt variants of teh game, but i dont follow him or his diary, i just had him down as solely crushing nlh cash and now mtts online. Thought he lived with rfqqabc which made me jump to conclusion's.

He also lives with a 5cardPLO cash game beast, then previously when there was a fish playing at 50/100 pads was in the game, im not out to cause debate because my presumtions are probs wrong because pads a NLH pro? so he can win at anything now.

I guess he was SCOOP bracelet hunting in 8 game, 2-7 and Stud aswell? im sure one of you railbirds could let me know.

I am really pissed off he wins bare more monies than me and thats why im calling him out. seems legit.

[mulhuzz]

Stop digging ffs.

[FUN4FRASER]

Look here guys i'm fully aware that its quite a statement to make. If i want to question something, I will.

I want ppl to be aware that the only thing that led me to saying i believed he could've been ghosted/coached throughout is because he states himself that he 1 tabled the comp and felt like he didnt deserve a plo8 title, thats just a bizzare thing to include in a debrief. (surely i dont have to explain why it gets the brain ticking) He also has never spoken about playing PLO8 or really probably played any other plo8 mtts or any other mtt variants of teh game, but i dont follow him or his diary, i just had him down as solely crushing nlh cash and now mtts online. Thought he lived with rfqqabc which made me jump to conclusion's.He also lives with a 5cardPLO cash game beast, then previously when there was a fish playing at 50/100 pads was in the game, im not out to cause debate because my presumtions are probs wrong because pads a NLH pro? so he can win at anything now.

I guess he was SCOOP bracelet hunting in 8 game, 2-7 and Stud aswell? im sure one of you railbirds could let me know.

I am really pissed off he wins bare more monies than me and thats why im calling him out. seems legit.

Great Foundations to Call Somebody Out   !   

WP

[DaveShoelace]

Has anyone called the police?

[theprawnidentity]

Let's keep it simple.  Proof or gtfo.

[George2Loose]

The point is you can't make an accusation without some sort of basis. Whether Adam helped Pads is irrelevant imo. Have something to back it up rather than "your mate is a plo8 expert"

As we all did with Blatchgate we waited for proof it was "suspicious" and it cost people dearly.

I agree with you by the way i think Pads is innocent but just saying we all defend our "friends" but we should keep a balance which no1 but me is doing.

Who's this we?

Blatchgate was completely different. There was deffo foundations to it. It's just we all chose to ignore them including me.

I have no view on this matter personally- I'm not defending Pleno. I just think you need more evidence before you call someone out publically whether you're right or wrong.

[SuuPRlim]

The first thing you've done wrong here is misunderstand "ghosting" as a term, ghosting is when one person has teamviewer up, or someone sat behind them telling them what to do at virtually every decision; open this, 3bet that, fold here, ICM says we can't open this and so on - you don't need to be sat next to someone to ghost them and I would imagine 95%+ of ghosting that has happened in the world has been done in proxy.

If pads is playing a PLO8 tourney, and happens to be sat next to someone who is a very good PLO8 tourney player and every so often turn to him and says "god Kevin (well call him Kevin lol) I gotta fold this right?" And Kevin has a quick look and says "that guy the preflop raiser yh? If so yh you gotta fold" and turns back to his own games then there is absolutely nothing in the world wrong with that.

The be "ghosting" someone you have to be watching the whole time, be aware of the build up in dynamics and the pattern of game flow, just occasionally taking an 11 second break from 14tabling to glance at someone's screen and offer some basic advice once every 2 hours isn't anything remotely close to ghosting.

I can promise you a HELL of a lot of legit ghosting and MAing went on over scoop.

As for all the rando Uk accounts in the scoop main, a lot of German/Scandinavia/Russian heros have accounts located in the UK, tax reasons and all that. Martin Jacobson for e.g.

[Whollyflush]

The first thing you've done wrong here is misunderstand "ghosting" as a term, ghosting is when one person has teamviewer up, or someone sat behind them telling them what to do at virtually every decision; open this, 3bet that, fold here, ICM says we can't open this and so on - you don't need to be sat next to someone to ghost them and I would imagine 95%+ of ghosting that has happened in the world has been done in proxy.

If pads is playing a PLO8 tourney, and happens to be sat next to someone who is a very good PLO8 tourney player and every so often turn to him and says "god Kevin (well call him Kevin lol) I gotta fold this right?" And Kevin has a quick look and says "that guy the preflop raiser yh? If so yh you gotta fold" and turns back to his own games then there is absolutely nothing in the world wrong with that.

The be "ghosting" someone you have to be watching the whole time, be aware of the build up in dynamics and the pattern of game flow, just occasionally taking an 11 second break from 14tabling to glance at someone's screen and offer some basic advice once every 2 hours isn't anything remotely close to ghosting.

I can promise you a HELL of a lot of legit ghosting and MAing went on over scoop.

As for all the rando Uk accounts in the scoop main, a lot of German/Scandinavia/Russian heros have accounts located in the UK, tax reasons and all that. Martin Jacobson for e.g.

RE: Ghosting

Im conflicted on this. In theory im totally against even the notion that someone can offer advice which can potentially influence the whole dynamic (and equity for that matter) of the whole final table especially when they have invested nothing financially. The game should mirror the live game where only one person can influence their decisions. Obviously in such a cut throat industry this isn't going to happen online, and i myself have asked my flatmates "what would you do with XY UTG with 13bb's" etc etc

As to the case in point i think killerkilsby is spot on. Im not calling out Pleno as i don't really know him and until proven otherwise has done nothing wrong, but im sure there have been worse accusations in the vaults of history than that made by Oxford.

[Doobs]

Legit ghosting is a new one to me.  Whilst I accept people do speak about hands during play online that doesn't make it legit, or in anyway, right.  Wonder how long you'd last in a live tournament if you started asking your buddy how to play a hand whilst making a decision.

[Tal]

Legit ghosting is a new one to me.  Whilst I accept people do speak about hands during play online that doesn't make it legit, or in anyway, right.  Wonder how long you'd last in a live tournament if you started asking your buddy how to play a hand whilst making a decision.

I hate it, but I have to accept it goes on.

In chess, if you are caught discussing your game (people do walk around during games and chat away from the table), you can forfeit both your game and your entry in the tournament. It undoubtedly goes on, but it's fairly well policed, largely by a common acceptance by the vast majority that it is wrong.

Suspect this is off-topic, though. It's not what the initial post was about.

Tbh, all this chatter is not going to help. Mr Oxford has raised a question. We can assume Pleno has seen it. It's up to him whether and, if so, how he responds. He doesn't have to say anything if he doesn't want to and I won't personally take that to mean he accepts he's in the wrong.

My views on whether X has done this or that are, frankly, irrelevant. I have no information or evidence. Why would my opinion matter?

It's a storm in a teacup at the moment and the sight of baying masses (in support or otherwise) is pretty unpleasant viewing.