starting or answering a thread in the staking forum.

[Dewi_cool]

so tilting

[The Camel]

i would guesstimate my ROI in this field to be over 200%.

Then why sell shares?

Because I didn't know in advance how soft the field was LDO.

If I had, I probably would have sold a small portion to the guys who have bought shares in me in the past because I know (by experience) how tilting it is to see someone you've staked in the past scoop big without having any of the action.

But wouldn't have offered shares on the forum.

[The Camel]

PS. For avoidance of doubt, I am not including Mr James Dempsey in the category "One of the best players in Britain".

Ty.

[Eso Kral]

Keith you are missing the point, its not about how much you sold them for or even who sold them the question is WHY, which you have answered.

Take the GUKPT circuit i think it must cost 2-2.5k including expenses if you play the main event and 2 sides which is 30k per year or basically a second place with the number of runners this year. How many of the players do you think can sustain that? So players will always try to sell a bit of themselves as there can only be 20 players who finish first or second in the main event.
Other players are maybe  +ev in the pokerz but have other degen activities that influence their B/R so ppl will always have a stake in them if the deal is right.
I dont have 300 posts so could not stake but at .85 : 1 i thought this was a great deal, as i would have thought a deal at less that 1 : 1 would only be seen from less exp players

[The Captain]

Mondatoo are you sure I know nothing about this subject?

Red Dog where have I written "stupid members"

Keith thanks for your reasoning and answers. Im still not sure getting staked if you can afford to buy in yourself is a good thing in poker, I understand fully the reasoning behind those that cant afford to buy in but I can think of numerous examples of friendships going tits up because of staking.

[mondatoo]

Mondatoo are you sure I know nothing about this subject?

Red Dog where have I written "stupid members"

Keith thanks for your reasoning and answers. Im still not sure getting staked if you can afford to buy in yourself is a good thing in poker, I understand fully the reasoning behind those that cant afford to buy in but I can think of numerous examples of friendships going tits up because of staking.

That's how you come across.Tbh you tilted me loads and I think as you've now said yourself you where out of order in your OP.

[The Camel]

Mondatoo are you sure I know nothing about this subject?

Red Dog where have I written "stupid members"

Keith thanks for your reasoning and answers. Im still not sure getting staked if you can afford to buy in yourself is a good thing in poker, I understand fully the reasoning behind those that cant afford to buy in but I can think of numerous examples of friendships going tits up because of staking.

Blatch being the prime example of "friendships going tits up" I guess.

But being the character he was/is I guess even if it wasn't for the Betfair thing Neil would have screwed his friends in other ways if that opportunity hadn't existed.

I always used 3 criteria before staking someone (in order of importance) 1. I trust them. 2. I like them. 3. I rate their playing ability as +ev in the event being staked.

If people stick to those rules, I doubt many friendships will get ruined by staking.

[Doobs]

I can't think of many poker tournaments I couldn't afford to buy into, but the chances of me buying in to £20k poker tournaments in one month without staking is zero.  DUCY?

[The Captain]

Doobs, so its about not risking your own money for you?

[KarmaDope]

Mr Birdforum, what are your personal views on staking as a whole? Not thoughts about other people's choice to receive/give staking, just your views on the subject. I've seen a few references in this thread that you have some strong views on this subject yet you don't appear to have posted them.

[RED-DOG]

Red Dog where have I written "stupid members"

You haven't, but you implied it here.

keith, Glad you popped bye perhaps you could answer a question for me in advance of an upcoming topic the more sensible members of this board are about to have.

Sensible according to who's criteria? Yours?

Do you consider deliberate rudeness sensible?

Also, you didn't answer my question. or the one about "Baboon faced cheek"

[MTT DESTROYER]

LOL someone quote my original post, I just knew it was coming....

[The Camel]

Doobs, so its about not risking your own money for you?

Birdforum, I will spell it out in words of one syllable.

It has nowt to do with not risking my own money.

It is about playing within my roll.

I could afford to play all these events if I wanted to.

I decided I did not want to lose 20k in one month, so I gave the chance for others to buy a % of me.

If they chose not to, I would either cut back my schedule or pay out of my own pocket.

I would probably have swerved the wsope and played the EPO and the EPT if I couldn't get backing...

Ok?

[The Captain]

Sharplea good question. I dont have any problem with people in general asking for staking, a person will look at what he/she is being asked to stake and make a decision based on several factors.

What amazes me is people who can patently afford to buy into lets say a £1500 tourny selling shares or asking for staking?

For the avoidance of doubt I have staked £$£$£$000s over the years to people who genuinly couldn't afford the buy in.

Red dog do yourself a favour and don't misquote me.

[RED-DOG]

red dog do yourself a favour and don't misquote me.

Do myself a favour, what does that mean?