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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2010, 09:58:20 PM » |
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I'm relaying the comments to a TD here and feeding back his responses Guy.
the point is the rule assumes the guy is angle shooting - when he isnt ok the rule COULD stop angle shooting but it could induce it as well - just saying! |
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2010, 10:03:48 PM » |
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Still don't understand. When the play came back round to the hero, who said he hadn't acted and that the floor should be called?
Who said it wasn't a check under the gun?
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2010, 10:11:00 PM » |
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that does seem like an incredibly unfair ruling. if the guys acting out of turn checked very quickly with a quick tap of the table it's very easy to miss the fact that action has taken place whilst you're considering your own action until someone else makes a bet further round the table - I know it's happened to me before - in vegas I think - and the ruling was that because further action had taken place I was deemed to have checked, which feels like the right ruling to me.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2010, 10:25:37 PM » |
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I've been playing poker nearly 30 years and never seen this ruling. It can hardly be call standard.
I have often seen this situation, the standard ruling is that player A is deemed to have chaked and can now act on the bet.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2010, 10:28:58 PM » |
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Still don't understand. When the play came back round to the hero, who said he hadn't acted and that the floor should be called?
Who said it wasn't a check under the gun?
When I put my bet in and then the dealer said "I thought you checked" (on the basis that the BB checked as did everyone else) so she called floor immediately. |
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2010, 10:54:01 PM » |
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what a sorry ass rule, he is deemed to have checked and can now call raise or fold, this bn a standard rule in casinos is b.s. imo.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2010, 11:03:36 PM » |
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Anyone who doesn't think this ruling is an absolute joke is clueless you can't punish op for not acting within a milisec of the flop being dealt,I've never heard anything so ridic in poker.You can't just assume someody is angleshooting this is a horrible ruling.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2010, 11:16:13 PM » |
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never seen such a stupid ruling in my life, to say it prevents ange shooting is pathetic, surely it open doors for angle shooters. op has the right to rant over this ruling
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2010, 11:16:19 PM » |
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Still don't understand. When the play came back round to the hero, who said he hadn't acted and that the floor should be called?
Who said it wasn't a check under the gun?
When I put my bet in and then the dealer said "I thought you checked" (on the basis that the BB checked as did everyone else) so she called floor immediately. I thought someone had bet? So if you had checked you now have the option to fold, call or raise? Still think I'm missing something, but I have had a few celebrating the grand final win by Wigan! |
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2010, 11:20:39 PM » |
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I don't really understand the 'preventing angle shooting' bit either tbh. So the rule is to prevent people angle shooting by not acting? How exactly? Surely if the dealer is paying attention then the only thing not acting gains you is the dealer reminding you it's your turn after a little while.
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2010, 11:29:23 PM » |
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had the exact same thing happen to me two years ago in a weekday comp. I looked down to bet- before I knew two people had acted out of turn and my hand was also declared dead....
Surely those acting out of turn are the ones who aren't paying attention?
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2010, 11:30:59 PM » |
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well we all know what to do when peeling a 3 bet pre in position in the first few levels then
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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2010, 11:43:22 PM » |
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had the exact same thing happen to me two years ago in a weekday comp. I looked down to bet- before I knew two people had acted out of turn and my hand was also declared dead....
Surely those acting out of turn are the ones who aren't paying attention?
Absolutely,action is rewound to sinned player who then has the option with fresh information Comedy ruling and not right on any level Somebody explain why all poker rules have not been standardised please,beggars belief |
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2010, 11:45:46 PM » |
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Somebody explain why all poker rules have not been standardised please,beggars belief
because, and this does not refer to DTD, there is too much self interest and ego in a lot of the organisations supplying Live Poker. This is certainly true in the UK. A lot of inertia and "we are the best" going on. Try to progress standardisation and you come up against "What's in it for us?" all over the place |
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2010, 11:49:44 PM » |
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It's both totally real and in my experience a standard ruling in card-rooms I have visted
Yes, a dealer should be keeping the action in order, stopping the action if required.
The thinking behind the ruling is to stop a person gaining information by not acting. Granted in this instance that's not the intention.
Totally untrue an the ruling is 100% wrong. Simaliar problem arrived in vic cardroom 3 weeks ago when palyer had raised to £150 wheres the player b in seat 1 had yet 2 act but seat 2 folded an seat 3 an 4 had followed suit with me waiting for player b to act. Player b wanted to reraise to £450 but was not allowed but hand was deemed live an he could only call preflop but all his actions were live after. Its the dealers responsibilty but also due to poor dealing standards the player must also be alert to action happening an help dealers if nescessery by pointing out errors which are common! |
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