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« on: October 07, 2010, 04:14:55 PM »

Atfer taking 2 months off i returned to playing poker again during september where my first stop was the DTD monthly weekend where i made a satisfactory return to Cash games wheres my tourney play was a bit of throwing my money away! After that i have mostly spent most of my month playing live cash in the Vic card room. The Vic is where i learned to play poker an it has been nice seeing old faces from the past.With all the players coming in from around the world due to the wpt ,wsope an ept the games would be good so i made London my home for a month grinding away trying to recover Vegas losses.
So with all the talking about dealers recently i thought it appropiate that very rarely do we praise good things that happen in our sport! I have played alot of poker at Dtd an the Vic an overall the dealing standard is good with the occasional rookie being quite bad but i guess you have to start somewhere right? Now i didnt play any EPT events until the very last few days of the festival when i chose to play the plo8 on monday. So after playing a whole month in the Vic it was a fresh change an wow wow wow i was so impressed by the dealing standards, the dress sense, the ENGLISH being spoken by non british citzens , politeness of them,it was just so profesional an nothing i have ever expierenced before an this was a hard game to deal as well plo8.
We all know that in the uk that dealers dont get the best wage an the companys budget has set rates that they can pay but surely there must be a market for dealers getting trained like Thomas kremser crew as they apparently earn alot more than the standard club dealer in the uk ! Wouldnt the games run smoother , Tips would be higher, The clubs popularity would go up, wouldnt hear moaning stories about bad dealing an i mean the pros far outway the cons?
Anyone else play during the Ept an enjoyed the expierence ? Poker is massive in the UK at the moment producing so much talent on the playing side ! Isnt it time we start producing talent on the other side of the felt ?
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2010, 05:22:18 PM »

Isnt it time we start producing talent on the other side of the felt ?


It won't happen until ppl accept that they have to tip good dealers, instead of moaning "they get paid to do the job".
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 07:26:43 PM »

Plz learn to paragraph big charra
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 07:27:19 PM »

There is a massive difference between professional poker dealers and casino poker dealers. The professionals only deal poker, casino dealers deal the pit as well. In fact a lot of them don't even want to deal poker but it's part of their job discription. So unless you get 100% dedicated poker dealers in the casino's the standard will always be lower. Dedicated casino dealers, well it's not going to happen.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 07:59:50 PM »

i have to agree the dealers at the vic at awesome, esp when considering they cop a fair bit of stick from some of the degenerate regulars but they brush it off well (hint hint nudge nudge charra).
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 08:50:19 PM »

There is a massive difference between professional poker dealers and casino poker dealers. The professionals only deal poker, casino dealers deal the pit as well. In fact a lot of them don't even want to deal poker but it's part of their job discription. So unless you get 100% dedicated poker dealers in the casino's the standard will always be lower. Dedicated casino dealers, well it's not going to happen.


Huh?

Its more common now than ever that casino's have dedicated poker dealers. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 08:59:05 PM »

Plz learn to paragraph big charra

Get TK to train him.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2010, 09:11:06 PM »

Other than the EPT, there aren't really many other avenues for poker dealers. It's notoriously hard to get on the team -- for my own part, I've tried to no avail.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2010, 11:26:17 PM »

TK dealers are the illest.

I didn't see a single misdeal during the main event.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2010, 01:21:30 AM »

Plz learn to paragraph big charra

Get, TK, to, train, him.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2010, 03:42:41 AM »

Plz learn to paragraph big charra

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2010, 07:05:38 AM »

Atfer taking 2 months off i returned to playing poker again during september where my first stop was the DTD monthly weekend where i made a satisfactory return to Cash games wheres my tourney play was a bit of throwing my money away! After that i have mostly spent most of my month playing live cash in the Vic card room. The Vic is where i learned to play poker an it has been nice seeing old faces from the past.With all the players coming in from around the world due to the wpt ,wsope an ept the games would be good so i made London my home for a month grinding away trying to recover Vegas losses.
So with all the talking about dealers recently i thought it appropiate that very rarely do we praise good things that happen in our sport! I have played alot of poker at Dtd an the Vic an overall the dealing standard is good with the occasional rookie being quite bad but i guess you have to start somewhere right? Now i didnt play any EPT events until the very last few days of the festival when i chose to play the plo8 on monday. So after playing a whole month in the Vic it was a fresh change an wow wow wow i was so impressed by the dealing standards, the dress sense, the ENGLISH being spoken by non british citzens , politeness of them,it was just so profesional an nothing i have ever expierenced before an this was a hard game to deal as well plo8.
We all know that in the uk that dealers dont get the best wage an the companys budget has set rates that they can pay but surely there must be a market for dealers getting trained like Thomas kremser crew as they apparently earn alot more than the standard club dealer in the uk ! Wouldnt the games run smoother , Tips would be higher, The clubs popularity would go up, wouldnt hear moaning stories about bad dealing an i mean the pros far outway the cons?
Anyone else play during the Ept an enjoyed the expierence ? Poker is massive in the UK at the moment producing so much talent on the playing side ! Isnt it time we start producing talent on the other side of the felt ?


Pete what you need to do is address this to every manager of every cardroom you walk into.

It would seem that Poker Dealer's wages in the UK are at an all-time low at the moment. The difference you notice between the standard of Dealers out of Austria as compared to the standard of Dealers in London or Nottingham or Birmingham or elsewhere is of course directly related to the amount of money they can expect to earn. In Vegas, Dealers keep their own tips, they generally get tipped well, and being a poker dealer is a career. In Austria and some other European countries, dealers are well-tipped and well renumerated, so unsurprisingly there is a large number of people who want to be poker dealers.

I have spoke to poker dealers in London who have seen the hourly rate driven down from £20+ per hour to £7 per hour. Plus tips. The tip point you will receive will vary massively from gig to gig and cardroom to cardroom.

In the UK the convention is that tips are split between a pool of dealers and staff within a cardroom or casino, rather than the dealer keeping the tips he or she earns individually. This might be one reason why a lot of poker dealers do not strive to be excellent.

If the wages are low, who wants to be a poker dealer? The hours are unsociable and the job can be draining. At the rates paid by some UK cardrooms, many applicants would be better advised to seek work as a night-cleaner or a shop assistant.

The reduced wages paid to dealers, and the lack of tips they can expect to earn, means that being a poker dealer in the UK is not viewed as a career. It is more seen as a stopgap job, or a student job, or viewed upon by some, unfortunately, as a piss-about job.

If wages were increased, standards would increase. You would see many more people applying to the cardrooms. The cardrooms could be more selective about who they train. Players would be happier...

AND WE WOULD ALL GET TO SEE MORE HANDS
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2010, 08:39:34 AM »

That was because of the 'poker tax'.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2010, 12:51:05 PM »

What do people think is a fair hourly for dealers in this country?
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2010, 01:18:32 PM »

What do people think is a fair hourly for dealers in this country?

That's going to be hard for poker players to answer Cos because most of them are tight arses and they know that a pay rise means a bigger rake. Grin Grin Grin


Maybe there should be a shift allowance for when they work until the wee hours. Tipping is the way forward once the English get used to it, but I don't agree with pooling the tips. Let them keep their own tips but have the amounts declared on a leader board in their backroom workplace (locker romm or similar). Reward the best and the less enthusiastic will either get better, earn less or find another career. Obv the management have to rotate them so they all get a fair share of the best tipping situations.

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