AQo OOP to 200nl reg

[skolsuper]

***** Hand History for Game 1895160747 ***** (Entraction)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 11, 09:18:57 ET 2010
Table Dundee (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Igor_Anka ( $244.00 USD )
Seat 2: carlosbruni ( $277.19 USD )
Seat 3: matureporn ( $231.00 USD )
Seat 4: BigCharra ( $209.00 USD )
Seat 5: MarsKungen ( $537.56 USD )
Seat 6: uvs_Zeus ( $289.07 USD )
matureporn posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
BigCharra posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BigCharra [   ]
MarsKungen folds
uvs_Zeus folds
Igor_Anka raises [$6.00 USD]
carlosbruni folds
matureporn folds
BigCharra calls [$4.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
BigCharra checks
Igor_Anka bets [$9.75 USD]
BigCharra raises [$31.50 USD]
Igor_Anka calls [$21.75 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
BigCharra bets [$42.00 USD]
Igor_Anka calls [$42.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
BigCharra bets [$129.50 USD]
Igor_Anka folds
BigCharra wins $129.50 USD
BigCharra wins $157.00 USD from main pot

Villain is a pretty standard 21/17 TAGbot, CO steal 20%, fold to 3b of 67%. My only note on him is "DOES NOT VBET RIVER THIN AT ALL", which I made earlier this session after 2 obv missed vbets close together, so I'm pretty sure of its accuracy.

Basically, the question I'm asking here is should I check or bet the river? Have posted results as wanted to avoid replies along the lines of "shove ldo", because I'm curious as to what people think villain's range is and what my perceived range will be and how that affects the ev of a check compared to a shove.

[jakally]

I think I would probably bet.

A chunk of his range is 1 pair / 1 pair + gutshot, which, given your note, he's not turning into a value bluff.
Not many hands which call 2 streets and miss completely.

What percentage do  you flat / 3 bet AQo vs LP raise, and what factors drive your decision?

[pleno1]

how quick did he call the flop? interesting that he cant have QXcc.

[skolsuper]

I think I would probably bet.

A chunk of his range is 1 pair / 1 pair + gutshot, which, given your note, he's not turning into a value bluff.
Not many hands which call 2 streets and miss completely.

What percentage do  you flat / 3 bet AQo vs LP raise, and what factors drive your decision?

Yeah the note I actually forgot about between noting the hand for later while I was playing and coming to post it on here. When I saw it in the replayer I was like "Oh. A note. Well that makes it kinda simple" but I was half way through posting already and, tbh, all 200nl regs seem to be pretty bad at value betting, I doubt any would shove KQ on the end here so the note is semi-irrelevant.

Your 2nd point (which I have handily bolded) is the key point here I think: What is the proportion of these hands compared to hands that I beat that call a shove? I think it's pretty certain KJ and 78 are in his range (I really doubt he 3bets the flop with these, he's not aggressive enough) and I think maybe there is AJ and AK, especially with clubs. That's actually a lot of combos. Then I guess the most important factor is how often will he actually go through with a bluff shove? 78 and A-high I guess have some showdown value, would people check those back here?

As for your preflop question, I think my default play (in these positions) is to flat. Being in the SB is important, as is the open coming from the cutoff, if it were button v bb I would be much more inclined to raise, however, as things are, especially against someone with such a high fold to 3bet, I think AQ is crushed by the villain's 4betting range, hence I don't want to turn it into a bluff. Also it's really good to have some strong aces in my calling range for obvious reasons.

edit: @ pleno: I honestly don't remember. It's probable that I didn't even see at the time tbh.

[George2Loose]

think Giblin has summed up perfectly. And you're note on him makes this an easier bet than a check if he's checking behind a lot with his hands that have showdown.

Only thing I've found is some of these people who don't know how to v bet try and bluff in the most retarded spots so if he has some airballed with some sort of draw then u can check but on this board I would bet for value.

[Rupert]

You look pretty strong by the river and there isn't a ton of worse hands he can have and that he calls with but there are plenty of better none of which are folding.  I think check/folding the river is best but it goes check check a lot and you win

[buzzharvey22]

i thought this.

defo think theres less hands you beat that will call, as surely he is never calling the river with kq and worse?

[SuuPRlim]

There is little to no air in his range at all imo, so c/calling seems like the worst line to me.

Sure there are a good few combo's that snap us off and we loose to, with my experience in how loose the Entraction games are I don't see you have any other option but to jam here.

The amount of times he calls with better and we loose 140 easily rectified by the amount of times he puts his sherrif hat on and looks us up behind imo you just loose too much value.

Vs a stndard 1/2 reg on ftp I'd c/fold 100% of the time most likely fwiw

[GreekStein]

how has no-one commented on 'BigCharra'.

ROFL!

[Skgv]

how has no-one commented on 'BigCharra'.

ROFL!

Was about to! mmmm legend that guy is!
P.S a note for james, Do you think that turning your hand into a bluff on river is good play long term as calling stations noramly cant put hands down.
By the way got the 3D TV dellivered at weeekennnd.....................

[railtard1]

There is little to no air in his range at all imo, so c/calling seems like the worst line to me.

Sure there are a good few combo's that snap us off and we loose to, with my experience in how loose the Entraction games are I don't see you have any other option but to jam here.

The amount of times he calls with better and we loose 140 easily rectified by the amount of times he puts his sherrif hat on and looks us up behind imo you just loose too much value.

Vs a stndard 1/2 reg on ftp I'd c/fold 100% of the time most likely fwiw

o rly?

[SuuPRlim]

There is little to no air in his range at all imo, so c/calling seems like the worst line to me.

Sure there are a good few combo's that snap us off and we loose to, with my experience in how loose the Entraction games are I don't see you have any other option but to jam here.

The amount of times he calls with better and we loose 140 easily rectified by the amount of times he puts his sherrif hat on and looks us up behind imo you just loose too much value.

Vs a stndard 1/2 reg on ftp I'd c/fold 100% of the time most likely fwiw

o rly?

[ ]Im proven winner at NLHE online and qualified to comment.
games are ridic loose on Entraction though I see he'll call KQ pretty much always.

[SuuPRlim]

the ftp/stars nitfests people wake up with AA/KK/TT a tiltingly high % of the time

[railtard1]

agree he calls KQ.

[pleno1]

i think c/f is fine.