Epic Prop Bet!

[DaveShoelace]

Yeah i also thinks the stakes should be capped at 400-600nl. Theres plenty of games across stars/tilt for this.

This. I also think it should be on one site only, makes the bet much more transparent (though doesnt mean we should take PTR as gospel)

Also assuming here that rakeback/FFPs are not counted towards the overall winnings amount?

[SuuPRlim]

I agree that stakes should be capped between 400 and 600nl personally fwiw.

I dont see a problem in it being on stars and tilt though, gotta let the guy game select a bit its still a ridic challenge...

Maybe instead of EV we you insist on an av winrate of xbb/100 maybe 0.5 or something. or could just do it as simple as $1 profit, Franky is worried though that he goes on a horror run, and finished like $14k -EV and lost the bet for those reasons.

Also cant use PTR as a gospel either IMO cos it misses SO many hands, althought fwiw I think it is reasonably accurate for 6m NL

o yeah and all games or 6max NL, but no stipulations on the tables/players etc, except for that they all have to be 100bb tables, I.E no cap/shallow but the deep or deep ante games will be allowed. Franky will be auto-topping to 100bbs throughout the challenge and will never have less.

Anyone wnat to suggest any more T&C alteraltions?

[EvilPie]

Yeah i also thinks the stakes should be capped at 400-600nl. Theres plenty of games across stars/tilt for this.

This. I also think it should be on one site only, makes the bet much more transparent (though doesnt mean we should take PTR as gospel)

Also assuming here that rakeback/FFPs are not counted towards the overall winnings amount?

If rakeback isn't counted towards overall winnings does that mean rake doesn't count to overall losses?

Surely can't have it both ways?

[DaveShoelace]

Yeah i also thinks the stakes should be capped at 400-600nl. Theres plenty of games across stars/tilt for this.

This. I also think it should be on one site only, makes the bet much more transparent (though doesnt mean we should take PTR as gospel)

Also assuming here that rakeback/FFPs are not counted towards the overall winnings amount?

If rakeback isn't counted towards overall winnings does that mean rake doesn't count to overall losses?

Surely can't have it both ways?

Well rake is automatically deducted on HEM & Pokertracker and doesn't get included in stats like BB/100. I'm pretty certain most people considering this bet were assuming that rakeback doesn't count and would have expected it to be in the OP if it was.

[Longy]

To cover yourself you probably want a few just in case T&C's like.

-Bettors cannot play in the same games.

-  A medical emergency unrelated to the normal stresses of playing this amount of volume or a family member or close friend dies then the bet will be halted and a panel of judges agreed on by both parties will decide how to refund the bets.

- If Stars/Tilt pull out of a major market,which effects the liquidity of the games. USA being the obv one.

[matfrankland]

of course rakeback counts towards my overall profit!!!..... no dont be silly that would be retarded

[DaveShoelace]

of course rakeback counts towards my overall profit!!!..... no dont be silly that would be retarded

Make your mind up, you appear to have corrected yourself mid sentence

[matfrankland]

ye rake back isnt included in the profit

[Christopher]

While doing a 100k hands in a week is quite a feat, it is less impressive given achievements of others before. Chichago Joey set a record by completing 50k hands in a day. An achievement that lasted less than 24hrs. Since Joey I think 3 other people have done it. So nobody is doubting that you can play 100k hands in a week. With enough money bet against you quite frankly i'd be surprised if you didn't. There's certainly nothing epic about it.

The real incentive for the bettor is whether you can do it profitably. One of the real interesting things about the bet is the variance and how you deal with it emotionally and mentally. Some guys go on heaters straight away and are basically a lock for the bet. Others hit one bad day and start to doubt themselves then give up. Making ev a part of the bet removes that part of the challenge for you. Of further assistance to you is the ability to play higher than 2/4. Again this give you an out. You can play like a nit/ run hot at 25/50 to cover all your losses at lower stakes and just get in the required hands to win the bet.

If you are serious about making an actual bet... you will play all your hands at one stake i.e. $2/4 and you will remove any talk of an ev stipulation.

[matfrankland]

Why you this make me serious about making the bet? I've already said I'll play all the hands at 2/4 if that's what people want and as for the ev thing no I'm not going to change that. Putting in the ev line makes the bet more about skill and Less about short term luck, this way we will see if I can play a hefty amount of hours beating 2/4 long term. I have absolutely no idea why you think changing things would make me serious about the bet :s I've laid down the t&c's. By changing the t&c's surely I would become serious about your bet, not my own

[matfrankland]

To cover yourself you probably want a few just in case T&C's like.

-Bettors cannot play in the same games.

-  A medical emergency unrelated to the normal stresses of playing this amount of volume or a family member or close friend dies then the bet will be halted and a panel of judges agreed on by both parties will decide how to refund the bets.

- If Stars/Tilt pull out of a major market,which effects the liquidity of the games. USA being the obv one.

Ye would like to stick the bottom 2 of these in. Not too fussed if people want to jump in and make it hard for me

[Christopher]

Basically you are giving yourself an edge. A 2knl player playing 400nl with an ev stipulation makes this a straight can you play a 100k hands in a week bet. Anyone willing to bet on this, which I was, would have to know you personally and have a strong inclination that you won't be able to do 100k hands in a weeK.

[matfrankland]

Well I'm not a 2k not player I take shots this high and play 5/10 at the weekends. During the week I 12 table 2/4 to 5/10 (mainly 2/4-3/6) to achieve this bet I'm going to have to almost double the number of tabled I play at once and double my hours played in a week.I should be able to play the hands but still being profitable at it is a question

[grogheadflow]

If rakeback isn't counted towards overall winnings does that mean rake doesn't count to overall losses?

Surely can't have it both ways?

Fuck me, imagine if we'd done the bet, Mat loses, then turns around and says oh hai guys you know rake didn't count right? lol

[SuuPRlim]

bump