Redundancy

[Graham C]

11387 applications for the Careers in CS role?  Shesh!

[Jon MW]

Genuine Question to Claire, If you got offered a Job in a Supermarket 38 hours a week £6 per hour, would you accept it or would you wait for a position more suitable for you?

genuine response to girgy.  i have applied for such jobs.  [ ] i have got anywhere.  I'd take it (if it was financially viable - see last post) and keep looking for something better.  Employers aren't quick to give jobs like that to people they think are overqualified and using it as a stopgap though.

We have about 150 foreign students learning English in London at any one time,and I'd say 90% of them are working. (legally I might add)
 About 50%-60% of them get a job within a month of arriving in the UK.
 Ok its cleaning,restaurant work,manual labour etc., but they go looking the day after arriving, and don't stop until they found something.(newspapers/gumtree/walking the streets/friends recommendations etc)
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These kind of go together. The reason why the foreign students can almost always find a job is because those employers are looking for people like foreign students to fill the vacancies - a more qualified, more experienced candidate would get turned down for the jobs they get for being too qualified and/or too experienced.

I've had that problem all the time when I've been unemployed in the past, for example I went for a job in a kitchen of a snooker hall (with catering experience - but also with a degree and IT experience) - they told me I'd be perfect for a managerial position there - but they didn't have any managerial vacancies and they wouldn't give me a junior role.

There is a possible issue with 'be careful what you wish for', but I can't see the problem with someone saying they'd like redundancy. RBS have made thousands and thousands of people redundant since they've had their troubles but about 75% have been voluntary redundancy, so it shows there are a lot of people who don't mind the idea.

[AndrewT]

I'd have loved to have got redundancy in the two rounds that a previous company I worked for had, instead of being one of the people they kept on till the day they went bust when they couldn't pay any wages.

[celtic]

Redundancy isn't the end of the world. Plenty of jobs out there for people that want to work.

^^THIS^^

If they spent as much time looking for work as they do on facebook then im sure they could find a job quite easily!

Go on the Girgynator. We could be brothers. Obv i'd be the handsome one though. He has a point, Facebook has turned from a social networking site to a networking site for people on the social.

All very well saying that people can't afford to work because of their rent/HB etc. What about the people that have mortgages? MBN to have the option to say, fuck it, i cant afford to work.

[Woodsey]

^^^ Meh I can't disagree with much of that tbh. We all need to sort our own shit out and rely less on others. I sell drugs into the NHS and I see the wastage in the NHS day in day out, they do a lot good stuff but they are damn good wasting money too. At the moment I've got a new drug that is pretty much the same as the competition but we are a LOT cheaper, about three quarters of hospitals have done the right thing and switched to ours. The others are 'Well we know we should, but we can't be arsed because it doesn't come out of our budget so we don't care' . Really get on my tits that sort of attitude............

[thetank]

Problem I had in a job hunt was that the jobs I had relevant for (bar/retail/fast food management type stuff) didn't want to touch me because my last reference was from 2 years ago, and the one before that from the Triassic era. They figure you've been sacked a bunch of times or something in the mean time.

So I accepted that reality, and applied for a heap of minimum wage gigs at the same time. Was not fussy, I have babies, poo does not scare me.

Problem is people looking to fill those minimum wage positions are looking for people who are likely to remain in them for a length of time. Being overqualified is a real problem (or at least I tell myself that's why I got knocked back from the first couple dozen dead end gigs I applied for).

If I could live the poker life again, I think I'd keep a part time job, even one day a week, just for the continuity. Also I'd get a fucking driving licence, probs the biggest obstacle in my job hunt was lack of being able to drive. Failed my test twice years ago and just kinda forgot about it.

Anyway, got a gig now, in a hotel. I'm like taximan but much less cool.

[thetank]

It came as a shock to me as I've always been of the opinion that if you're willing to do anything then finding a job will never be a problem.

It sort of was and wasn't, just took me a couple of months when I thought it would take a couple of weeks.

[byronkincaid]

if people really think that there are jobs out there just waiting to be filled because no one wants to do them then take a look again at the number of applicants these posts are getting.

london bus driver, 25K, always looking for trainees, especially women.

[Claw75]

if people really think that there are jobs out there just waiting to be filled because no one wants to do them then take a look again at the number of applicants these posts are getting.

london bus driver, 25K, always looking for trainees, especially women.

anyone that's seen the state of my car will testify that's not the job for me   the difficulty with jobs like that for someone in my position is the need to be flexible in terms of shift patterns.  Childminders generally work 8-6 Monday-Friday.  Getting a job outside of those hours if the shifts were standard and always the same hours might be doable if a flexible childminder could be sourced, but finding someone who is willing to cover varying shifts, as the job requires, is next to impossible.

[Claw75]

It came as a shock to me as I've always been of the opinion that if you're willing to do anything then finding a job will never be a problem.

It sort of was and wasn't, just took me a couple of months when I thought it would take a couple of weeks.

I recently separated and the ex is in a transitional period at the moment concentrating on getting the kids and herself resettled, waiting on a house.  During out time together she did very well and gained all manner of eduactional and vocational qualifications - as well as boosting her CV with volunteer work.

She went to the Job Centre as apparently she has to go there to sign for benefits. During her interview she stated that she wanted to work. The lady behind the desk was shocked and asked her to repeat herself...

Fast forward to another encounter with the Local Housing Authorities. She tells them that the army only temporarily house her in a quarter and, after a certain period, she effectively becomes homeless. Having seen herself way down the housing list she has stated her case and been told that she would have to wait x amount of time for a house. UNLESS. She went to the rental market and found one for herself. (A friend of hers is renting some sort of mock tudor place at a ridiculous cost to the taxpayer).

She stated that she did not want to do this as the rent would be between 600 - 700 a month higher than a council house. She did not want to burden the public purse and she also wants to return to work.  If she ends up in such an expensive property, she would not be able to afford the rent - and therefore whats the point in working??? Furthermore she does not want to bleed the system - she wants to pay her taxes.  The LHA were shocked and stated that, unlucky this is the only avenue open to you - or you could be waiting 2 years for a house....

I've since brought pressure to bear through other channels and she's now 'won' a house.  But if honest, hard working, highly motivated people are coming up against this sort of attitude - what hope is there of getting those less inclined back into work and off benefits??

lack of social housing is definitely an issue.  i went on the list last summer when my landlord was looking at selling the place, but unless i'm about to become homeless in the next four weeks i'm a low priority because i'm already in a property.  it's fine at the moment, but i will struggle to pay the rent once i get a job and would, like your ex, much rather be in a council property where the amount of housing benefit i need is lower for now and the rent more manageable later.  the landlord was thinking again of selling this year (since changed his mind) and the letting agents were saying it wouldn't be a problem for me finding another place quickly as housing benefit will pay out for a more expensive place (clearly presuming that i'm planning on carrying on claiming HB forever), but i'd rather stay here in squalor

[EvilPie]

^^^ Meh I can't disagree with much of that tbh. We all need to sort our own shit out and rely less on others. I sell drugs into the NHS and I see the wastage in the NHS day in day out, they do a lot good stuff but they are damn good wasting money too. At the moment I've got a new drug that is pretty much the same as the competition but we are a LOT cheaper, about three quarters of hospitals have done the right thing and switched to ours. The others are 'Well we know we should, but we can't be arsed because it doesn't come out of our budget so we don't care' . Really get on my tits that sort of attitude............

The NHS purchasing system is insane to be honest.

We do a fair bit of work for the NHS probably ammounting to about 300k per year.

Unfortunately we aren't an approved supplier so officially we can't work for them. The thing is though we've been doing this particular type of work there for years and the trust in quetion want us to carry on doing so.

To get around it we do the work and invoice it through an approved company who just add 7% to every invoice. GG 21k of the NHS' money just for processing 12 invoices per year. You have to wonder how many others are doing exactly the same thing and how much it must cost.

[Woodsey]

^^^ Meh I can't disagree with much of that tbh. We all need to sort our own shit out and rely less on others. I sell drugs into the NHS and I see the wastage in the NHS day in day out, they do a lot good stuff but they are damn good wasting money too. At the moment I've got a new drug that is pretty much the same as the competition but we are a LOT cheaper, about three quarters of hospitals have done the right thing and switched to ours. The others are 'Well we know we should, but we can't be arsed because it doesn't come out of our budget so we don't care' . Really get on my tits that sort of attitude............

The NHS purchasing system is insane to be honest.

We do a fair bit of work for the NHS probably ammounting to about 300k per year.

Unfortunately we aren't an approved supplier so officially we can't work for them. The thing is though we've been doing this particular type of work there for years and the trust in quetion want us to carry on doing so.

To get around it we do the work and invoice it through an approved company who just add 7% to every invoice. GG 21k of the NHS' money just for processing 12 invoices per year. You have to wonder how many others are doing exactly the same thing and how much it must cost.

I could save them about 100k spread through 3 different hospitals in about an hour, talk about  

[EvilPie]

Might be ignorant but if you're unemployed are you not better of living up North where stuff is cheaper. Especially rent.

Anyone got a picture of a nail being smacked on it's head that I can borrow?

[Laxie]

Meanwhile I'm whammied all over the shop.  From day one I was told - no point applying for Irish citizenship as I was allowed live here based on my marriage.  Then 9/11 happened and suddenly I wasn't allowed live here unless I got my passport stamped each year to say I was married to an Irishman.  Fair enough.  Now that the marriage is effectively over, I'm not eligible for anything while we must carry on 'as is' for another 2 years before my citizenship application is approved.

And because things weren't already 'fun' enough, I'm not eligible for any assistance (rent, dole or otherwise) despite working and paying taxes for a goodly while when I first moved here because I'm not an Irish citizen.  But I can't get a new job now either because all of the potential employers are worried about 'taking sides' in the marriage break up.   

And round and round it goes.  Sighhhhhhhhh

[kinboshi]

this is kinda an insensitive post with the greatest respect!

there are many people going to lose jobs that will put them in a very difficult financial situaton!

But he's hoping it's him, not them. (Or am I missing something?)

wow - i take the other line for a change and get picked up on it! nice!

your right - fuck em all - they have all got whats coming to em ! Had an easy life working for govt bodies for too long - get out in to the real world and learn about commercial pressures, and see how many sick days they will tollerate!

That any better tom?

LOL, Guy getting all over sensitive, and completely missing the point of the OP.

If he'd posted he'd got a new job that paid 10k a year more, would that be insensitive to others who haven't just got a new job? If someone posts they have won some monies at the pokers, does that mean they're being insensitive to others who've not? Maybe even the fact they're playing a tournament that someone else isn't rolled for is insensitive?  Someone posted recently about getting a new company car, was that insensitive too?

On a different note, if anyone wants a job where they can turn work down, train yourself up as a .NET developer. We've had contractors working on a project, and three of them have decided they don't fancy the work half way through and have decided they don't need the money. One has just decided to bugger off to New Zealand for two or three months with no warning. Must be nice.