Interesting River Spot

[pleno1]

First hand of a 200nl cash game at DTD this weekend. FWIW I am not the hero in the hand but it is a good mate. Hero has £400 and villain covers

Straddle UTG to £4 and 5 people including the blinds and the button (hero) flat call the straddle with 

Flop is 

The straddler leads out for £15 and hero OTB calls.

Turn is the 

The straddler checks and hero bets $45 which is called pretty quickly

The river is the  and it is checked again to our Hero with a pot of around £150 in pot

I've spoke about this hand for over an hour in the car and we have came up with about 10 different lines/betsizes that we believe is right here.

Thoughts please on-
Villains calling range
Villains c/jamming value range
Bet sizing with our hand
Bet sizing with 77
The call on the flop
C/raising the river if you are the villain (without a house but as a bluff)

[GreekStein]

i raise flop

[gatso]

i raise flop

this was my first thought as well

[pleno1]

yeah but we havn't and we have got to the river with a slowplayed flop nuts.

[GreekStein]

Bet fold like £90.

[SuuPRlim]

as much as we prolly should bet fold...I NEVER EVER WOuld in a live cash game,

people are too bad and seceptible to bizarre plays I cant ever fold here ever.

[pleno1]

i disagree ldf.

I think the c/raise bluff on the river is the least used play by a fish in a cashgame.

[ACE2M]

he's got an overpair most of the time imo so i bet for that, 1/2 - 2/3s pot closer to 2/3s for the 'please fold' factor.  I'm never bet folding here either.

[GreekStein]

he's got an overpair most of the time imo so i bet for that, 1/2 - 2/3s pot closer to 2/3s for the 'please fold' factor.  I'm never bet folding here either.

did u read the opening post?

[pleno1]

I find it absolutely amazing that people would never consider bet folding this river. He c/r this river with a 9, 0% of the time and I think he very very rarely bluffs, why are you all calling?

Doesn't have an overpair either imo.

[outragous76]

The more i play live cash games the less I am folding in these spots.

Most people v bet in these spots and don't c/r. If he doesnt perceive the strength of your hand he could easily be doing this with trips/ same hand/ bottom of str8 random bluffs.

There is obv no history, but I tank, sob a little, bemoan my luck, call ......... And probs end up scooping

[pleno1]

But an oldish guy has just led a 567 flop, checked the 8 turn then c/r the 6 river, I doubt you ever see air here. If they want to bluff they probs just donk out or something. I put the thread up asking for opinions, so will stop writiing like I am correct, perhaps I am inded wrong.

[GreekStein]

But an oldish guy has just led a 567 flop, checked the 8 turn then c/r the 6 river, I doubt you ever see air here. If they want to bluff they probs just donk out or something. I put the thread up asking for opinions, so will stop writiing like I am correct, perhaps I am inded wrong.

i agree pleno, when he c-raises river, i think we're dead

[outragous76]

If he straddles, does he not raise all pairs on his option?

Can he not have 34 or 48?

Other hands 78, 89, 99

I don't think our line looks like a flopped straight either, therefore increasing his spazzing hands.

This weekend, I flopped a str8 with 64 on a 578r flop, I raised table nits flip lead, Raised HER turn bet on K bringing 2nd spade, and I got c/r on an A river after I v bet small 1/3 pt. She had only played nut hands to this point, guess she just didn't believe me. She had air.

There is another dynamic here to. 1st hand. Some people will play on the fact that others don't want to do an entire buy in on their first hand and apply pressure. You see this all the time.

Although he could obv have it, I just think that there is enough spazz potential in this hand to justify a call, and I am a live cash nit!

[pleno1]

Yeah but I think when we bet river we usually have a 9. 97,98,96,910 etc. Prob check behind turn with 2 pair. we could have 88.