Bet folding trips in DTD 6max -River line check pls

[cambridgealex]

I'm at a lively first table in the 6max on sunday. Simon Deadman is in seat 2,i'm seat 3, old weaktight guy in seat 4, chinese frankie seat 6 isittttt.

some old loose guy limps utg from seat 5, frankie makes it 325 at 50/100 utg+1. Folds round I peel from SB with  . BB,and limp all call.

Flop  . I should probably have led here but I checked, checks round.
Turn  . I bet 750. BB calls. 2 folds.
River  Hero?

Is bet folding the best option here? My read was villain unlikely to bluff if I bet, might if I check. I thought villain has AT KT that may call a bet and also might peel pre from BB with J7s or maybe even worse jacks but unlikely.

Most of these hands in villains calling range would probably check behind on that board so I didn't want to miss out on a value bet. If we're leading here, how much? What do you think about check calling? Or even check folding?

[pleno1]

Thoughts on c/f?

[Cf]

You describe as weak tight so I think bet/fold is fine. Don't want to miss value from hands he'll call a bet with but prob check behind. And I doubt he'd be raising you unless he has the flush or better trips/boat. Something like 1500 seems fine to me.

[pleno1]

I doubt he ever calls with worse if we bet 1500 on river.

[Ironside]

He is weak/ tight I don't think he will call with anything your beating, I would be happy for a check behind or calling a small bet, I don't know many TIGHT players calling a river bet with a possible straight and flush on a paired board with  2 nd pair

[EvilPie]

Checking flop is fine.

Betting the J on the turn is also fine especially if you rep it if you haven't got it.

If you're certain that villain isn't good enough to bluff raise the river then bet/fold is obviously the perfect play. If you're not certain then just check/call.

The problem with a value bet here is you need him to have a 10 in his hand or possibly Jx that's worse than yours. Anything else he either folds, value raises or calls and wins. Even worse is if he's good and bluff raises you off triple jacks.

Without a bit more info I think the safe option of check call is the way forward.

[EvilPie]

Thoughts on c/f?

Quite possibly the worse thing ever in this situation.

If you're doing that just fold pre please.

[cambridgealex]

The problem with a value bet here is you need him to have a 10 in his hand or possibly Jx that's worse than yours. Anything else he either folds, value raises or calls and wins. Even worse is if he's good and bluff raises you off triple jacks.

yes the vbet is to be called specially by AT, KT and worse jacks. This makes up a fair amount of his range here imo. Sure, there's stuff that he'll call and win with, and stuff he'll raise and ill fold. But given I was 95% certain he wouldnt bluff raise the river, I think bet folding 1000-1150 is superior to check calling.

[outragous76]

I much prefer check call here for same reasons as mr pie and also to allow them to bluff.

[cambridgealex]

I much prefer check call here for same reasons as mr pie and also to allow them to bluff.

I think against this villain if he's betting that river, we are behind sooo often. He checks behind most things that may call a small bet.

[EvilPie]

The problem with a value bet here is you need him to have a 10 in his hand or possibly Jx that's worse than yours. Anything else he either folds, value raises or calls and wins. Even worse is if he's good and bluff raises you off triple jacks.

yes the vbet is to be called specially by AT, KT and worse jacks. This makes up a fair amount of his range here imo. Sure, there's stuff that he'll call and win with, and stuff he'll raise and ill fold. But given I was 95% certain he wouldnt bluff raise the river, I think bet folding 1000-1150 is superior to check calling.

Make a list of all the hands he might have that will call your bet which you will be happy to see.

Then make a second list of all the hands he might have that will call your bet which you won't be happy to see.

Add to this second list all the hands he may have that he will raise your bet with thus make you fold. Add a couple of hands here to account for 1 in 20 chance you allocated for him bluff raising the river.

Also add a few for the times he sees your turn bet / river check as weak thus giving him a chance to bluff.

If list 2 contains more hands than list one then check call.

[Ironside]

I much prefer check call here for same reasons as mr pie and also to allow them to bluff.

Imho ev

I think against this villain if he's betting that river, we are behind sooo often. He checks behind most things that may call a small bet.

Imho even more reason to check river

[Ironside]

Matt since when you become so tez that you are thinking along same lines as me?

[titaniumbean]

I bet fold for not very much vs this type of villain.

[SuuPRlim]

I bet fold for not very much vs this type of villain.

If he doesn't bluff ever in this spot then checking river is bad imo.

Also the majority of his range that beats you wont raise the river so betting 1/2pot would be a nice blocker vs a flush/bigger jack and probs 22.

And again if he never raises as a bluff its a bet fold.

I dont like check folding personally.