Bad pre flop shove??

[Autobetkev]

Ok, hand that caused a bit of a stir, I'd like your opinions on please. I have my views, but will try to remain neutral for discussion purposes.

Local £30 headhunter. General standard is, as you'd expect fairly tez. Blinds 300/600 (15 mins left at this level). Player A (cut-off +1) raises to 1600 (stack 12.5k), player B (cut-off) re-pops to 5k (stack 18.5k), folded back to Player A who shoves with and get called by  .

A little history between the players. previous level Player A raised (early pos), player B states that he folded  . Player B is also quite vociferous in his criticisms at the table and is seen as quite agressive. Player A is also known for overplaying marginal hands.

Sorry about the rambling, but feel the info is important.

One question, what do you think of thew pre flop shove by player A???

[MC]

Ok, hand that caused a bit of a stir

^Really?

Pretty standard spot. Eights could fold to 3-bet if the cut-off is tight I guess, but as you've said he's not, looks fine to me...

Cutoff+1 is the Hijack btw

[gatso]

Ok, hand that caused a bit of a stir

^Really?

Pretty standard spot. Eights could fold to 3-bet if the cut-off is tight I guess, but as you've said he's not, looks fine to me...

Cutoff+1 is the Hijack btw

cutoff -1 is the hijack

cutoff +1 is the button

so according to op the button is acting before the cutoff. I can only assume that this is what caused a stir as the rest looks standard

[action man]

arrrrrrrrg i know its not your fault or anyone else's but live hand histories tilt the absolute life out of me.

[DMorgan]

arrrrrrrrg i know its not your fault or anyone else's but live hand histories tilt the absolute life out of me.

+1

[stato_1]

General standard is, as you'd expect fairly tez.

Standard of this hand actually seems strangely high for a random £30 headhunter

[sligboi]

Player A's shove gets most hands he's racing with to fold.

Obv we don't like putting 2/3  of our stack in with AQ but when we're asking to put 5k into 18.4k against a player I have history with I'm never folding.

[SuuPRlim]

Player A's shove gets most hands he's racing with to fold.

Obv we don't like putting 2/3  of our stack in with AQ but when we're asking to put 5k into 18.4k against a player I have history with I'm never folding.

Personally I disagree that Player B is EVER folding pre-flop, he will be left to call 7.5k into about 7.5k after already raising ~30% of his stack

So as long as player B is 3bet calling wide enough then it's fine - as Mr. Atkin says id have no problem folding  here vs a lot of live guys.

[sligboi]

Player A's shove gets most hands he's racing with to fold.

Obv we don't like putting 2/3  of our stack in with AQ but when we're asking to put 5k into 18.4k against a player I have history with I'm never folding.

Personally I disagree that Player B is EVER folding pre-flop, he will be left to call 7.5k into about 7.5k after already raising ~30% of his stack

So as long as player B is 3bet calling wide enough then it's fine - as Mr. Atkin says id have no problem folding  here vs a lot of live guys.

Ehhhh..I have literally no idea what I was talking about with the bolded parts..and i wasn't even drinking 

What I meant was that I don't like putting 2/3 of my stack in with  but as we are putting 7.5k into 18.4k I can't fold against any aggressive player's range.

Yeah maybe in a live tourney with no history I can fold the but against a player who we have antagonised I am probably never folding this shallow.

[SuuPRlim]

What I meant was that I don't like putting 2/3 of my stack in with  but as we are putting 7.5k into 18.4k I can't fold against any aggressive player's range.

yh, pretty much this sums it up imo

[George2Loose]

ok basically the heated argument was with me.

Kev has AQ and villian had . Kev came up saying villian had played hand awful. I said it was standard.

[The Camel]

ok basically the heated argument was with me.

Kev has AQ and villian had . Kev came up saying villian had played hand awful. I said it was standard.

I assume the 88 held.

[George2Loose]

ok basically the heated argument was with me.

Kev has AQ and villian had . Kev came up saying villian had played hand awful. I said it was standard.

I assume the 88 held.

Exactly