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The Baron
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #120 on:
November 15, 2010, 11:58:51 PM »
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
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Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
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Quote from: redarmi on November 15, 2010, 10:55:51 PM
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Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Quote from: SammyA on November 14, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
For people who actually want to do things about this (like myself)
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Is the only answer, AND WE ARE NOT RACIST!
This is a joke. Think this link should be removed. I am not a muslim and had to put up an unbelievable amount of abuse when the EDL marched thru Leicester. Just glad my children were not with me
Fre speech has nothing to do with it when this is an organisation which is specifically set up to be against Islam rather than for anything in particular.
So its free speech until someone does not like it? This shit really pisses me off sometimes, no wonder this country is fucked
so if I want to link child pornography it should be allowed under the banner of free speech?
No cus that's illegal, the EDL is not. BTW I didn't even know who the EDL was till this thread was started, not that it makes any difference.
The ilegalilty of child porn is what makes it wrong? Really?
Nope, any more obvious comments?
We're on the same page then. Some things are wrong, illegal or not.
Yup. I think the BNP are a bunch of wankers, but I would equally object to someone asking to remove their link because they did not like/were offended by them. The 'wrong' part is just subjective to the individual whether you or I agree with that or not..........
Kinda goes back to my first post then, at what point does something go from wrong to "subjective" in your eyes? We've already established it's not "cuz it's legal".
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Woodsey
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #121 on:
November 16, 2010, 12:04:14 AM »
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: redarmi on November 15, 2010, 10:55:51 PM
+1
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Quote from: SammyA on November 14, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
For people who actually want to do things about this (like myself)
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Is the only answer, AND WE ARE NOT RACIST!
This is a joke. Think this link should be removed. I am not a muslim and had to put up an unbelievable amount of abuse when the EDL marched thru Leicester. Just glad my children were not with me
Fre speech has nothing to do with it when this is an organisation which is specifically set up to be against Islam rather than for anything in particular.
So its free speech until someone does not like it? This shit really pisses me off sometimes, no wonder this country is fucked
so if I want to link child pornography it should be allowed under the banner of free speech?
No cus that's illegal, the EDL is not. BTW I didn't even know who the EDL was till this thread was started, not that it makes any difference.
The ilegalilty of child porn is what makes it wrong? Really?
Nope, any more obvious comments?
We're on the same page then. Some things are wrong, illegal or not.
Yup. I think the BNP are a bunch of wankers, but I would equally object to someone asking to remove their link because they did not like/were offended by them. The 'wrong' part is just subjective to the individual whether you or I agree with that or not..........
Kinda goes back to my first post then, at what point does something go from wrong to "subjective" in your eyes? We've already established it's not "cuz it's legal".
Can't be arsed debating that tbh, we ain't going to change it because of legality or otherwise...........
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The Baron
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #122 on:
November 16, 2010, 12:07:31 AM »
Quote from: Woodsey on November 16, 2010, 12:04:14 AM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: redarmi on November 15, 2010, 10:55:51 PM
+1
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Quote from: SammyA on November 14, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
For people who actually want to do things about this (like myself)
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Is the only answer, AND WE ARE NOT RACIST!
This is a joke. Think this link should be removed. I am not a muslim and had to put up an unbelievable amount of abuse when the EDL marched thru Leicester. Just glad my children were not with me
Fre speech has nothing to do with it when this is an organisation which is specifically set up to be against Islam rather than for anything in particular.
So its free speech until someone does not like it? This shit really pisses me off sometimes, no wonder this country is fucked
so if I want to link child pornography it should be allowed under the banner of free speech?
No cus that's illegal, the EDL is not. BTW I didn't even know who the EDL was till this thread was started, not that it makes any difference.
The ilegalilty of child porn is what makes it wrong? Really?
Nope, any more obvious comments?
We're on the same page then. Some things are wrong, illegal or not.
Yup. I think the BNP are a bunch of wankers, but I would equally object to someone asking to remove their link because they did not like/were offended by them. The 'wrong' part is just subjective to the individual whether you or I agree with that or not..........
Kinda goes back to my first post then, at what point does something go from wrong to "subjective" in your eyes? We've already established it's not "cuz it's legal".
Can't be arsed debating it, we ain't going to change it because of legality or otherwise...........
Aye, fair one.
Out of curiosity I wonder if the same people who want the EDL link to come down are "for" the protesters having their say. Totally rhetorical, but I can't help being curious.
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #123 on:
November 16, 2010, 12:24:32 AM »
Quote from: The Baron on November 16, 2010, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 16, 2010, 12:04:14 AM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: The Baron on November 15, 2010, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on November 15, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: redarmi on November 15, 2010, 10:55:51 PM
+1
Quote from: George2Loose on November 15, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Quote from: SammyA on November 14, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
For people who actually want to do things about this (like myself)
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Is the only answer, AND WE ARE NOT RACIST!
This is a joke. Think this link should be removed. I am not a muslim and had to put up an unbelievable amount of abuse when the EDL marched thru Leicester. Just glad my children were not with me
Fre speech has nothing to do with it when this is an organisation which is specifically set up to be against Islam rather than for anything in particular.
So its free speech until someone does not like it? This shit really pisses me off sometimes, no wonder this country is fucked
so if I want to link child pornography it should be allowed under the banner of free speech?
No cus that's illegal, the EDL is not. BTW I didn't even know who the EDL was till this thread was started, not that it makes any difference.
The ilegalilty of child porn is what makes it wrong? Really?
Nope, any more obvious comments?
We're on the same page then. Some things are wrong, illegal or not.
Yup. I think the BNP are a bunch of wankers, but I would equally object to someone asking to remove their link because they did not like/were offended by them. The 'wrong' part is just subjective to the individual whether you or I agree with that or not..........
Kinda goes back to my first post then, at what point does something go from wrong to "subjective" in your eyes? We've already established it's not "cuz it's legal".
Can't be arsed debating it, we ain't going to change it because of legality or otherwise...........
Aye, fair one.
Out of curiosity I wonder if the same people who want the EDL link to come down are "for" the protesters having their say. Totally rhetorical, but I can't help being curious.
No.
They were a small group of extremists who will, aided by organisations like ELD and BNP, cause untold suffering for countless innocent black and minority ethnic communities.
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kinboshi
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #124 on:
November 16, 2010, 09:08:39 AM »
Allowing a link on here or not is nothing to do with freedom of speech.
It's a privately owned poker forum, not a soap box for extremists.
People can peacefully protest about what they want as long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others, but they aren't going to do that in my living room and I'm sure you'd be the same.
Just because someone wants to say something, doesn't mean you have to give them the platform from which they can broadcast their message.
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Re: a disgrace
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November 16, 2010, 11:38:49 PM »
Quote from: jjandellis on November 16, 2010, 03:03:32 PM
"Political patience and domestic opinion is only going to last so long. If we lose this war it will be in the homes of this country, as people tire of it. What we've failed to do adequately is persuade the people of this country that this is a good war. My servicemen feel strongly that this is a good war. They know the Afghan people don't want the Taliban back."
Gen Sir David Richards.
This would be fair comment if the war in Afghanistan (and Iraq) was really about keeping the Taliban out but it isn't. There are plenty of other options that the Afghanis would probably be happy to embrace but I sincerely doubt that becoming another country which is effectively ruled undemocratically from Washington and for the benefit of big business is one of the options they would pick.
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Re: a disgrace
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November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM »
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
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Re: a disgrace
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November 17, 2010, 06:35:30 PM »
Quote from: sledge13 on November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
Typical racist daily mail article. Not only do they get to have a go at Muslims (love the racist "5 Muslims and a white girl" - would they have written "5 Protestants and an Asian girl"?), the also get to have a go at the evils of the internet - another hobby of theirs (
Facebook causes cancer you see
).
Any coverage of this story from other sources (that aren't racist) so we can read the full and accurate story?
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #128 on:
November 17, 2010, 06:48:24 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: sledge13 on November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
Typical racist daily mail article. Not only do they get to have a go at Muslims (love the racist "5 Muslims and a white girl" - would they have written "5 Protestants and an Asian girl"?), the also get to have a go at the evils of the internet - another hobby of theirs (
Facebook causes cancer you see
).
Any coverage of this story from other sources (that aren't racist) so we can read the full and accurate story?
this is from local press. the second comment is interesting.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2010/11/17/coventry-teenager-abused-on-facebook-for-writing-war-heroes-tribute-92746-27667954/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom
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The Baron
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #129 on:
November 17, 2010, 06:54:23 PM »
Quote from: sledge13 on November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
Hahah I stopped reading the daily fail when my IQ reached double figures.
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kinboshi
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #130 on:
November 17, 2010, 07:49:17 PM »
Quote from: Claw75 on November 17, 2010, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: sledge13 on November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
Typical racist daily mail article. Not only do they get to have a go at Muslims (love the racist "5 Muslims and a white girl" - would they have written "5 Protestants and an Asian girl"?), the also get to have a go at the evils of the internet - another hobby of theirs (
Facebook causes cancer you see
).
Any coverage of this story from other sources (that aren't racist) so we can read the full and accurate story?
this is from local press. the second comment is interesting.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2010/11/17/coventry-teenager-abused-on-facebook-for-writing-war-heroes-tribute-92746-27667954/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom
Comment refers to this:
http://swns.com/daughter-sold-on-ebay-for-good-education-291437.html
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Delboy
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #131 on:
November 17, 2010, 08:02:27 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: Claw75 on November 17, 2010, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: sledge13 on November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
Typical racist daily mail article. Not only do they get to have a go at Muslims (love the racist "5 Muslims and a white girl" - would they have written "5 Protestants and an Asian girl"?), the also get to have a go at the evils of the internet - another hobby of theirs (
Facebook causes cancer you see
).
Any coverage of this story from other sources (that aren't racist) so we can read the full and accurate story?
this is from local press. the second comment is interesting.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2010/11/17/coventry-teenager-abused-on-facebook-for-writing-war-heroes-tribute-92746-27667954/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom
Comment refers to this:
http://swns.com/daughter-sold-on-ebay-for-good-education-291437.html
My God, she's a media pro! it must be true!
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Re: a disgrace
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Reply #132 on:
November 17, 2010, 08:04:55 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: Claw75 on November 17, 2010, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: sledge13 on November 17, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Starting young I see...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html
Typical racist daily mail article. Not only do they get to have a go at Muslims (love the racist "5 Muslims and a white girl" - would they have written "5 Protestants and an Asian girl"?), the also get to have a go at the evils of the internet - another hobby of theirs (
Facebook causes cancer you see
).
Any coverage of this story from other sources (that aren't racist) so we can read the full and accurate story?
this is from local press. the second comment is interesting.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2010/11/17/coventry-teenager-abused-on-facebook-for-writing-war-heroes-tribute-92746-27667954/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom
Comment refers to this:
http://swns.com/daughter-sold-on-ebay-for-good-education-291437.html
looking for a reason to get her son moved to a 'better' school perhaps?
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Re: a disgrace
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November 17, 2010, 08:18:51 PM »
Well, it looks like it's her side of the story that has been used for the article. Even so, it sounds like the bullies deserved to be punished.
But the story in the mail is a combination of fabrication and exaggeration to support its xenophobic agenda.
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Re: a disgrace
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November 17, 2010, 08:22:22 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on November 17, 2010, 08:18:51 PM
Well, it looks like it's her side of the story that has been used for the article. Even so, it sounds like the bullies deserved to be punished.
But the story in the mail is a combination of fabrication and exaggeration to support its xenophobic agenda.
I bumped into Nick Griffin yesterday, he asked me where I was from........
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