referees on strike. all scotlandshire league fixtures cancelled next week

[gatso]

although to be fair i think the standard of our Sunday League was about 2 rungs higher that the Scottish lower divisions......

hardhats on. I remember what happened last time I compared scottish football to sunday league on here

[boldie]

although to be fair i think the standard of our Sunday League was about 2 rungs higher that the Scottish lower divisions......

hardhats on. I remember what happened last time I compared scottish football to sunday league on here

the way it is run definitely compares....so does the level of footie TBH...and the attendance outside games the Old firm is involved in.

[matt674]

Having played Sunday Football and being an East Fife fan (dont ask ) i feel in a position to make comparisons

I remember one cold windy away game at Montrose in the middle of november where the highlight of the trip was trying to figure out what the meat was in the meat pies at half time!!

"He's black, he's gold his name is Arnold........" the chant of the 10 or so East Fife fans in the crowd of 202 that day watching East Fife's international Trinidad & Tobago striker Arnold Dwarika

[Rod Paradise]

Fair play to them, horrible scenes watching Lennon scream in the officials face.

Yet a couple of seasons ago the Rangers Manager manhandled the 4th official & nothing was done....

Lets not make this a "But now that it's Celtic they do something about it, Rangers always get away with it" sort of discussion.

It's bang out of order and needs to be dealt with.

The ref clearly got it wrong during the Dundee Utd match and should have just said "Listen, I gave it and immediately realised I Fed up so I decided to override myself"...that would have been job done...well, clearly not job done as Lennon would still have gone mental but that would have been the thing to do.

That didnt happen and it all kicked off since then. That ref should be punished, definitely. But the massive over-reaction there has been is plainly ridic.

Why not? The referees already have making comments about 'certain clubs'.

Let's face it one of their own got caught. Their supervisor knew about it on the Sunday, but used the lies to slag off Lennon on the Monday & they all tried to cover it up till the Friday when Craven offered his resignation after an attack of honesty (Craven).

They then tried to blame the resignation on threats to Craven's familly - which he categorically denied. He also accused Dallas of trying to force him to continue the lies, and of bullying in general.

Since then the supervisor (Dallas) has been 'away', the refs (who decide who becomes a senior ref & investigate any 'failings' among refs), have only warned the liar, then threatened to go on strike after the majority were shown to have been incompetent right in the middle of last season.

Their house of cards is falling down, the group of lawyers, accountants & police officers which make up the refereeing establishment now find their cosy wee setup crumbling.

Good!

[Rod Paradise]

Having played Sunday Football and being an East Fife fan (dont ask ) i feel in a position to make comparisons

I remember one cold windy away game at Montrose in the middle of november where the highlight of the trip was trying to figure out what the meat was in the meat pies at half time!!

"He's black, he's gold his name is Arnold........" the chant of the 10 or so East Fife fans in the crowd of 202 that day watching East Fife's international Trinidad & Tobago striker Arnold Dwarika

Matt, this is the same ref who, despite not having a view of the incident, sent a Celtic player off against Rangers last season without any consultation of the linesman who was right beside it. Then when he's 5 yards away with a clear view he gives a penalty, then asks the linesman who was further away & not in a position to decide to give his opinion - after the linesman has signalled acceptance of the penalty.

In no way is that acceptable. BTW he got the decision wrong, but shouldn't have had to as Hooper was fouled before the keeper even got near him.

[Rod Paradise]

George Peat, SFA: "The climate of inference, innuendo and conspiracy theories must stop"

journalist: "Who are you talking about in particular George?"

George Peat, SFA: "You can judge for yourself, I'm not mentioning any names"

So that's what we're up against.... sigh!!!

[Karabiner]

Cliffs: Scottish referees are revolting/

[TightEnd]

George Peat, SFA: "The climate of inference, innuendo and conspiracy theories must stop"

journalist: "Who are you talking about in particular George?"

George Peat, SFA: "You can judge for yourself, I'm not mentioning any names"

So that's what we're up against.... sigh!!!

what do you mean that's what you are up against? Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation there are clearly inferences, innuendos and the like emanating from Parkhead are there not, including from John Reid?

I am not saying those inferences and innuendos are wrong, by the way, just that they must create an atmosphere of mutual mistrust and a bunker mentality amongst the referees.

If participants in the sport, whether celtic or other clubs, are going to be so blatant in their disregard for the authority that runs the game, then its quite difficult for that authority to matter isn't it? The SFA might deserve it, I don't know, but Celtic are reaping what they sowed surely?

[celtic]

So if referees lie during a game, then admit it later, then a couple of games later get denied a blatant penalty Lennon is allowed to be annoyed?

Is that reaping what we have sowed?

[TightEnd]

So if referees lie during a game, then admit it later, then a couple of games later get denied a blatant penalty Lennon is allowed to be annoyed?

Is that reaping what we have sowed?

I was referring to the relationship between the SFA and Celtic, which Rod referred to above.

I really don't watch enough Scottish football to know if there is a correct long term grievance from Celtic towards refereeing performances in their games. Yes, it does appear in that Dundee United game the referee's performance and subsequent untruths, and more to the point the way that was handled by the SFA, was highly unsatisfactory. Whether that extends way back to the point where many Celtic fans have a chip on their shoulder about it to the extent they appear to, I don't know. For sure the attitude of Celtic towards the governing authority in the competitions they take part in wouldn't exactly be described as constructive would it?

What I am attempting to contend is that by crying wolf for years and years about referees and the SFA when the music stops and the object of the criticsm finally says "enough is enough, we're not doing it anymore" then Celtic as a club has reaped what it has sowed yes. This may not be a bad thing, if it leads to changes it would welcome.

[celtic]

Doubt Celtic have cried wolf over the years.

The SFA are incompetent in lots of ways, and to lots of clubs. Just that they have been more incompetent to Celtic over the years.

Pressure has got too much for the referees now and they think they are making a statement by going on strike, when in reality all they are doing is making things worse for themselves long term imo.

[RED-DOG]

Doubt Celtic have cried wolf over the years.

The SFA are incompetent in lots of ways, and to lots of clubs. Just that they have been more incompetent to Celtic over the years.

Pressure has got too much for the referees now and they think they are making a statement by going on strike, when in reality all they are doing is making things worse for themselves long term imo.

Before you go spouting your opinions, tell us where your allegiance lies.

[celtic]

Doubt Celtic have cried wolf over the years.

The SFA are incompetent in lots of ways, and to lots of clubs. Just that they have been more incompetent to Celtic over the years.

Pressure has got too much for the referees now and they think they are making a statement by going on strike, when in reality all they are doing is making things worse for themselves long term imo.

Before you go spouting your opinions, tell us where your allegiance lies.

 

[henrik777]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1218366/EXCLUSIVE-Referee-Alan-Wiley-quit-threat-Manchester-United-boss-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-rant.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23690685-stamford-bridge-referee-wont-quit-despite-abuse.do

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/referee-quits-over-chelsea-death-threats-528268.html

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2010/07/08/2015948/i-did-not-quit-refereeing-because-of-world-cup-mistake

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/05/arsenal-players-referee-premier-league

http://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/mansfield-town-fc/stags_fury_over_referee_on_extraordinary_night_in_luton_1_1650768

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200806413146126

Sandy

[stonecoldkiller]

Doubt Celtic have cried wolf over the years.

The SFA are incompetent in lots of ways, and to lots of clubs. Just that they have been more incompetent to Celtic over the years.

Pressure has got too much for the referees now and they think they are making a statement by going on strike, when in reality all they are doing is making things worse for themselves long term imo.

Before you go spouting your opinions, tell us where your allegiance lies.

lol