2 MTT spots

[cambridgealex]

Im a bit of an MTT noob not sure abiout these. How do we extract the most value in hand 1, and is hand 2 a standard cooler?

PokerStars Game #54223171013: Tournament #344010931, $25.00+$2.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/12/14 1:01:29 WET [2010/12/13 20:01:29 ET]
Table '344010931 49' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pudgy23 (2980 in chips)
Seat 2: bzik2000 (2990 in chips)
Seat 3: bradore64 (3050 in chips)
Seat 4: ningymar (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: trippkirk (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: johnnyclev (3000 in chips)
Seat 7: Jak Potter (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: 20alex430 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: D_Rose2010 (3000 in chips)
bradore64: posts small blind 10
ningymar: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [ ]
trippkirk has timed out
trippkirk: folds
trippkirk is sitting out
johnnyclev: folds
Jak Potter: folds
trippkirk has returned
20alex430: raises 40 to 60
D_Rose2010: folds
pudgy23: calls 60
bzik2000: folds
bradore64: calls 50
ningymar: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
bradore64: checks
20alex430: bets 125
pudgy23: calls 125
bradore64: calls 125
*** TURN *** [ ] []
bradore64: checks
20alex430: checks
pudgy23: bets 240
bradore64: folds
20alex430: raises 635 to 875
pudgy23: folds
Uncalled bet (635) returned to 20alex430
20alex430 collected 1055 from pot
20alex430: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1055 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: pudgy23 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: bzik2000 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bradore64 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: ningymar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: trippkirk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: johnnyclev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Jak Potter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 20alex430 collected (1055)
Seat 9: D_Rose2010 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #54225089884: Tournament #344010871, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/12/14 1:46:47 WET [2010/12/13 20:46:47 ET]
Table '344010871 76' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Sttephen.L (15585 in chips)
Seat 2: Mestremorg (8475 in chips)
Seat 3: whitey726 (14161 in chips)
Seat 4: chasity1 (12455 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: zackmorris99 (16685 in chips)
Seat 6: capheine (8875 in chips)
Seat 7: 20alex430 (10743 in chips)
Seat 8: Palko161616 (7815 in chips)
Seat 9: Mzungu (12300 in chips)
capheine: posts small blind 100
20alex430: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [ ]
Palko161616: folds
Mzungu: folds
Sttephen.L: folds
Mestremorg: calls 200
whitey726: folds
chasity1: folds
zackmorris99: folds
capheine: raises 600 to 800
20alex430: raises 1800 to 2600
Mestremorg: folds
capheine: calls 1800
*** FLOP *** [ ]
capheine: checks
20alex430: bets 8143 and is all-in
chasity1 has returned
capheine: calls 6275 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1868) returned to 20alex430
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
capheine: shows [ ] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
20alex430: shows [ ] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
capheine collected 17950 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17950 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Sttephen.L folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mestremorg folded before Flop
Seat 3: whitey726 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: chasity1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: zackmorris99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: capheine (small blind) showed [ ] and won (17950) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 7: 20alex430 (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 8: Palko161616 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mzungu folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[gatso]

it's not a race to get all your chips in the middle asap. find the fold button, it's normally on the left

[SuuPRlim]

I like the first one - try get em in freerolling yh?

second is horrible, given the arkward stacks and how strong the peeler should be, Id be sigh giving up

[cambridgealex]

yeh played these both bad I think. Shouldnt lose anymore with AK and I think c/c and c/r the river with the J8 is best. Get him to continue with his bluffs and might get some more value out of sets/2prs and the bottom end str8.

[pleno1]

Fold pre in hand 1?

[outragous76]

Nothing wrong with barelling 3 streets in hand 1 as you rep nothing

[DMorgan]

First one is a fold pre for me. I wouldn't lead the flop into 3 other people though 'cos you're just never getting that through on a 456 board. I think your turn play is fine, I'd make the raise a little smaller though. There really aren't many cards at all that are bad for your hand so I'm happy to let him peel and bink 2pr or something that he can pay off the river with aswell

The AK hand is ok, I'd bet half pot and call it off though. Once you 4bet pre you can only bet/call on T77 when the guy has just over pot behind.

[cambridgealex]

second is horrible, given the arkward stacks and how strong the peeler should be, Id be sigh giving up

The AK hand is ok, I'd bet half pot and call it off though. Once you 4bet pre you can only bet/call on T77 when the guy has just over pot behind.

ul dave, I think DMorgan may never agree with you!

[GreekStein]

Hand 1, I'm fine with the open pre. Bet more on turn though.

[SuuPRlim]

second is horrible, given the arkward stacks and how strong the peeler should be, Id be sigh giving up

The AK hand is ok, I'd bet half pot and call it off though. Once you 4bet pre you can only bet/call on T77 when the guy has just over pot behind.

ul dave, I think DMorgan may never agree with you!

siiiiiiiiigh one day, one day il get a Dan Morgan +1 on a NL hand

[buzzharvey22]

second is horrible, given the arkward stacks and how strong the peeler should be, Id be sigh giving up

The AK hand is ok, I'd bet half pot and call it off though. Once you 4bet pre you can only bet/call on T77 when the guy has just over pot behind.

ul dave, I think DMorgan may never agree with you!

siiiiiiiiigh one day, one day il get a Dan Morgan +1 on a NL hand

FWIW little man i agree with you, obsiously not as special as DMorgan aggreeing with you.

I just think unless we have a specific read on player being an absolute tard, his 4 bet flatting range is always pairs, and if hes peeling a 4 bet (we have to assume he isnt set mining as he doesnt have the correct odds) then he isnt going to be folding on a flop which is about the best flop any pocket pair hand could wish for so he aint gunna fold. Also even if he is a tard and peeling with a no pair hand, we have all these crushed, so why bet and fold these out (i guess just to stop him bluffing us at later street i suppose). But yer, i think i peel another card off.

Hand one i probably fold pre, but definatly raising turn and looking to try and get as many chips in as possible here freerolling, also think its pretty hard for him to assume we have a straight.

[EvilPie]

Hand 1 you should be betting the turn.

As Guy has said you aren't repping anything. I disagree with barrelling the river as well though. Check river to give him a chance to make the float he's so desperate to do.

Check/raise on turn looks too strong and will fold out all over pairs and probably small 2 pair hands.

Hand 2....... Hmmm. You didn't half make the other guy's life easy.

You basically just bluffed a potential winning hand and are only ever getting called when you're beat.

Any Tx combo calls as well as 88/99

Flat pre to under rep when you hit would've been much more profitable.

[Shawrie85]

Hand 1

I fold pre, 2nd hand in i cant see any need in gettin involved. Your Q on value, defo lead the turn again with a weak bet like 260-300. Many players are not going to put you on 8x esp 8dxd, your so huge! The c/r obv is pretty see through, where as u lead, they maybe rep the 8 themselves.

Hand 2

You could maybe only call this a cooler if your all-in pre AKcc V's QQ, pretty standered race. You've committed 25% of your stack pre but sometimes you just got to let it go, c/f for me im afraid.

[cambridgealex]

Hand 2....... Hmmm. You didn't half make the other guy's life easy.

You basically just bluffed a potential winning hand and are only ever getting called when you're beat.

Any Tx combo calls as well as 88/99

obv not shoving for value, trying to fold out 99> which I thought represented the majority of his range (it was only 3bet pre, not 4bet as suggested earlier). I thought he'd get it in pre w/ JJ+ maybe TT too. Also I avoid being bluffed off my hand by AQ AJss on future streets by just taking it down now. That was my thought process anyway. I'm sure there is some merit to this but checking back and giving up probably is the best line. 

Flat pre to under rep when you hit would've been much more profitable.

rele??

[SuuPRlim]

FWIW little man i agree with you, obsiously not as special as DMorgan aggreeing with you.

 

yay!
gtfo DMorgan