Ruling in DTD Grand Prix.

[millidonk]

First of all I want to make it clear that i love DTD, without it I would have no human interaction and would just sit in my house on my laptop ignoring my wife. I find the majority of staff fantastic and have been playing there pretty much from day one and intend to do so until I go busto. (I hope I have said enough that this can be seen for what it is)

I have played in many venues throughout the UK/Europe and US and I realise each establishment has their own house rules etc although many are the same I also understand that the TD's in DTD in particular have a very tough job running tournies just on the sheer variance of player level they get within the venue, let alone people who have been on the sauce or regs trying to abuse their status.

Anyways: 11 left in the grand prix, 5 handed, Blinds 15/30k, i make it 75k utg    with 650k behind, the final Golden Chip winner jams for about 380k. He had done the same thing previously to me in the prior orbit and flipped QK as if it was bullets. (obv it may as well have been against my 43os) anyways, I try speaking too him but am not getting much, so i decide to do 'a move' I have done on 4 previous occasions in DTD and I flip my cards face up....... Any thoughts please?

[redarmi]

This is one of those things where the rules differ from place to place and I simply wouldn't do it unless I was 100% certain that my hand wouldn't be declared dead as a result which is what I guess probably happened here.

[outragous76]

well if you have done this on 3 or 4 occasions and the same TD had seen you do it, you could quite easily be ejected from the tourney

anything less than that would seem more appropriate - i would imagine at least a 1 orbit penalty (if first time in this tourney)

as for whether your hand is live or not - it would seem that if it clearly wasnt an error, then this being considered a fold is also highly likely, but i guess you probs still had the option to act and got a penalty instead

(did i cover all my bases?)

(and stop angle shooting or stay at home playing on your PC)

[Cf]

Hand live, assuming it's been flipped right in front of you and not in the middle of the table. Penalty after the hand.

[titaniumbean]

Hello sir, I wish I had realised you were a blonde I would have said hello before I busted! We were on the same table for a few minutes!


I was also behind you when this happened, I was confused because I thought you were folding and showing but then Rich the floor man I think it was intervenes and as usual explains politely and clearly that it's a penalty afterwards normally for exposing your cards in a tourny to get a read. Saying you've done this before is more likely to be that you got incorrect rulings previously most likely because you had a new dealer or something and there was no floor close to the table at the time.

House rules go as always, hand isl live penalties after are a definite possibility.

[kinboshi]

Flipping cards face up intentionally in a tournament during a hand usually results in a penalty (orbit, 10 minutes, or similar) everywhere I've played.

Not sure what happens for that actual hand though.  I think the other player has all his options open to him and you have none at the very least (obviously that wouldn't change anything in this specific situation).  Could see an argument for the hand being dead too.

What was the ruling?

[R8APK]

You did exactly the same thing to me on the last level of day one, where you showed kq.......eventually folding ( i had !).

I asked the TD afterwards and he confirmed that hand was still live and you'd get a pen of one orbit, do it again and a longer pen and warning and do it a third time and would be removed from the comp!

Anyway, I learnt from it as I thought hand was dead!

WP by the way........loved the way you played your trip tens!

[gatso]

hand live, 1 round penalty, bigger penalty if you've been pulled up for it before. simples, anything else is plain wrong

[millidonk]

Yea, it seems pretty unanimous. The hand was live, I was free to act and I got a one round peno in which i had a few smokes and two ppl got sent to the rail! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. I folded like a lil girl obv. He showed the dealer his cards which kinda tilted me, there was no way I was getting a read off her..

Rich the TD was flawless in his work, the way he dealt with situation etc can't knock him at all, although the dealer at the time also thought my actions were well within the rules but she was told politely not to have an input.. 2  of the dealers previously sorted it themselves and said it was fine, on one of the previous occasions the dealer wasn't sure so he called the TD over and after his ruling neither did I receive a penalty nor was my hand dead! He stated it was part  of the game. I must clarify that I would never try anything in poker if I was made fully aware that it wasn't within the house rules. I am not willing to name names as I don't want to cause trouble. I just think there should be more continuity between the rulings in one establishment and that players,TDs and Dealers are all singing from the same sheet.

 R8APK you just had one card?  ? (hoping it was pocket . Once again at that occasion I was not informed otherwise I would never have done it on the second day. A whole orbit is a lot of steals missed for me... Was that the 10s against the geezer who called me with a gutshot? and i rivered a boat or when i snap called on a qxjj board.
 FYI these weren't all in this one tournament! I'm not that much of a scum bag! probably throughout a duration of two years. The only reason i have ever tried it, is i had it done to me in there. I 4 bet shove pre lvl 2 with jacks the guy flips QQs, clearly he saw the tears running down my face and called me off... I must admit it didn't feel nice, but once again he didn't receive a penalty.

Thanks for the input guys,


Titbeam you made it quite clear you wasn't a fan of angle shooters when that cockney geezer dirtied his stack to make it look like he had double the amount of 5k chips. Your reaction made me laugh though.  Nice hat by the way, are they on general sale? IS IT.

[mouth]

You did exactly the same thing to me on the last level of day one, where you showed kq.......eventually folding ( i had !).

I asked the TD afterwards and he confirmed that hand was still live and you'd get a pen of one orbit, do it again and a longer pen and warning and do it a third time and would be removed from the comp!

Anyway, I learnt from it as I thought hand was dead!

WP by the way........loved the way you played your trip tens!

I now need to know how you played your trip tens?


BTW was told flipping your cards like this during a GUKPT tourny meant hand was dead, yet I did it once at Manchester G and hand was live, so I am confused a little.

[Boba Fett]

So he didnt slam his fist and start crying when he saw you had AT?  Sounds like the correct fold then.

[BulldozerD]

Agree with ruling but have absolutely no love for or sympathy with people who do this kind of stuff at the table tbh

[titaniumbean]

Titbeam you made it quite clear you wasn't a fan of angle shooters when that cockney geezer dirtied his stack to make it look like he had double the amount of 5k chips. Your reaction made me laugh though.  Nice hat by the way, are they on general sale? IS IT.

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GODDAM ANGLING MORONS






He had an 8 high pile of chips, the salmon chips are 25k. so you'd think 8x25k= 200k in just that stack. he jams over my raise and I think why has he jammed 350k wtf count pls, oh look that stack has 6 500 chips mixed in with 2 25k chips. oh he has <150k and I nearly folded, I fking hate people like that. He's a reg he 100% knew what he was doing, if it was someone who obviously was new to live i'd explain the issue and make clear I had no problem. When you wear a poker patch and act like a cheating ma;fsdjlaksjdfk (insert your fave swear word) then I wish I wasn't such a skinny waif and could beat their face into a pulp, reform it and then beat it back into a pulp again.


My hat I had made specifically for the last grand prix because I got grief for always wearing the same cap. IT IS pretty cool ldo!!



It's a shame you haven't got consistent rulings, were all hands in tournaments or were some in cash? The DTD staff are exceptionally good and a pleasure to have running any tournament I am in. I have never seen a ruling go to someone because of who they are or any of the usual rubbish you would get in 'casinos' etc.

[GreekStein]

Meh don't think you'll ever really get a read off your opponent doing it so its relatively pointless but ruling was absolutely correct.

[titaniumbean]

BTW  I called versus MR ANGLE, WE (THE WORLD OF NON SKANK NON ANGLING NICE PEOPLE) VS MR ANGLE.

Mr Angle holds a nine with a nine.

WE hold the  with an 


FIRST CARD 


GTFO YOU SKANK


(fwiw I've never ever acted like that to anyone when i've taken them out or even been in an all in spot, I just cant stand people who think that subtle cheating at showdown or when action is complete is acceptable)