Ruling in DTD Grand Prix.

[dik9]

but isn't it quite likely that we have a fouled deck here so should treat it slightly different from a boxed card? I'd prefer to stop the game for a sec and have a quick count of the muck, stub, board and hole cards just to check we've got 53 before continuing with the hand

To be truly honest, I did make a reply stating that all action should be returned (as in a fouled deck) but deleted it quick as something was nagging me that a joker is treated differently to a doubleton. I quoted the only reference i could find on this instance which is from Roberts Rules http://ukpokerassociation.com/irregularities/ see 3,4,5,7,8 and 9

[gatso]

but isn't it quite likely that we have a fouled deck here so should treat it slightly different from a boxed card? I'd prefer to stop the game for a sec and have a quick count of the muck, stub, board and hole cards just to check we've got 53 before continuing with the hand

To be truly honest, I did make a reply stating that all action should be returned (as in a fouled deck) but deleted it quick as something was nagging me that a joker is treated differently to a doubleton. I quoted the only reference i could find on this instance which is from Roberts Rules http://ukpokerassociation.com/irregularities/ see 3,4,5,7,8 and 9

yeah, I'm sure you're right about what the rule is, it's just that I don't like it. surely we have to count the deck at some point and it's gotta be better to do it now than once the hand's played out. if we wait and then find out after that it's a fouled deck we could have eliminated players to reinstate, doubleups to undoubleup and allsorts

[dik9]

Counting the stub is not really practical whilst a hand is in play and cards are due to come out, unless the flop is dealt face down and the remaining stub is counted. If another card is exposed that shouldn't be there then the action is returned and the hand is void. The TD will then change the deck after the hand, and check it themselves. All action stands regardless of TD's findings even if there only 47 cards in the deck for example.

See rule 10 on same page

[gatso]

Counting the stub is not really practical whilst a hand is in play and cards are due to come out, unless the flop is dealt face down and the remaining stub is counted. If another card is exposed that shouldn't be there then the action is returned and the hand is void. The TD will then change the deck after the hand, and check it themselves. All action stands regardless of TD's findings even if there only 47 cards in the deck for example.

See rule 10 on same page

ah, ok. I didn't realise that a missing card (which is quite likely in this situation) is treated differently from duplicates. in that case  I agree with you completely

[pokerfan]

Quick 1 while we have ruling specialists itt.

2 all in players show each other their hands while a 3rd player is tanking.

Any/what ruling if the 3rd player objects and calls a td over ?

Hmmm strange one, I cannot say for sure as I would need all the information, but if it was absolutely blatant  (To teach them a lesson in my head I would like to expose both sets of cards and let the tanker decide whether to call or not) In the rules we follow I would have to give them a 3 rounder after the hand. I would like something harsher than this but don't think it warrants disqualification. The more I think about it the more i like exposing both of their hands to the table.

this I like. the cards are exposed and exposed cards should be tabled

Seems fair, tks for the reply.  Maybe start your own thread so we can get these in 1 place ? Call it Dik Rules or summat .

[JK]

Always love to hear your rulings rich. Definately agree with making a thread purely for rulings. I'd love to flick through it on an hourly daily basis .

[titaniumbean]

Always love to hear your rulings rich. Definately agree with making a thread purely for rulings. I'd love to flick through it on an hourly daily basis .

RICH FOR KING!!!!

[JK]

Always love to hear your rulings rich. Definately agree with making a thread purely for rulings. I'd love to flick through it on an hourly daily basis .

RICH FOR KING!!!!

Is it?

[titaniumbean]

oh it is.

i'm sure he loves just how often I like to come over and ask him a nuance of a certain ruling/set of rules.


Guys a legend!!! 

[Cf]

I dunno. A ruling thread that gets posted in daily might be too much.