Andy Gray Sacked

[Woodsey]

Can people who don't believe groups of young lads out on the pull refer to girls in ways which their mothers wouldn't appreciate please wake up!

And can those who don't think girls might do the same in drunken female company do the same please!

Kthxbye!

no one's saying they don't believe it - we see it/hear it often and no one here lives in a bubble.  it's the suggestion that it's 'the norm' among a majority, and therefore should be considered acceptable, that's being questioned.

I would say that it is the majority......our lot use this term all the time.....not proud of the fact, but the phrase "smash it" has been used for years, prior to that it was "nail" "barrell" etc etc

This is only used in lads talk and happens up and down the land I'm afraid.  You don't honestly think guys say stuff like " Hi mate, did you make love to the pretty girl last night" do
you?

In fairy land they do apparently 

[Claw75]

Can people who don't believe groups of young lads out on the pull refer to girls in ways which their mothers wouldn't appreciate please wake up!

And can those who don't think girls might do the same in drunken female company do the same please!

Kthxbye!

no one's saying they don't believe it - we see it/hear it often and no one here lives in a bubble.  it's the suggestion that it's 'the norm' among a majority, and therefore should be considered acceptable, that's being questioned.

I would say that it is the majority......our lot use this term all the time.....not proud of the fact, but the phrase "smash it" has been used for years, prior to that it was "nail" "barrell" etc etc

This is only used in lads talk and happens up and down the land I'm afraid.  You don't honestly think guys say stuff like " Hi mate, did you make love to the pretty girl last night" do
you?

no of course not, and i don't take any exception to whatever words people want to use as slang for fking someone tbh, just saying it makes me cringe when I see the word 'it' used instead of 'her' - presume it's more of a showing off thing among blokes?  I dunno, that's what I'm trying to understand.  And it's not always in relation to talking about conquests - there was some post on one of the 'fit women on telly' threads on here a year or so ago where someone had put up a picture of a woman who, quite frankly, looked like she probably had an eating disorder.  A few of the guys commented that she looked like she needed a good meal, and someone replied along the lines of 'why would you want to ruin that by feeding it?".  Just horribly demeaning language to use imo, and I don't really get the point of it.

[Woodsey]

Can people who don't believe groups of young lads out on the pull refer to girls in ways which their mothers wouldn't appreciate please wake up!

And can those who don't think girls might do the same in drunken female company do the same please!

Kthxbye!

no one's saying they don't believe it - we see it/hear it often and no one here lives in a bubble.  it's the suggestion that it's 'the norm' among a majority, and therefore should be considered acceptable, that's being questioned.

I would say that it is the majority......our lot use this term all the time.....not proud of the fact, but the phrase "smash it" has been used for years, prior to that it was "nail" "barrell" etc etc

This is only used in lads talk and happens up and down the land I'm afraid.  You don't honestly think guys say stuff like " Hi mate, did you make love to the pretty girl last night" do
you?

no of course not, and i don't take any exception to whatever words people want to use as slang for fking someone tbh, just saying it makes me cringe when I see the word 'it' used instead of 'her' - presume it's more of a showing off thing among blokes?  I dunno, that's what I'm trying to understand.  And it's not always in relation to talking about conquests - there was some post on one of the 'fit women on telly' threads on here a year or so ago where someone had put up a picture of a woman who, quite frankly, looked like she probably had an eating disorder.  A few of the guys commented that she looked like she needed a good meal, and someone replied along the lines of 'why would you want to ruin that by feeding it?".  Just horribly demeaning language to use imo, and I don't really get the point of it.

The word 'it' has just slipped in there as part of the phrase, its not there as a deliberate attempt to demean women. There are a bunch of other phrases that you could probably pick through and find similar stuff where no bad meaning is intended, its just that this has been highlighted by the media. I'm trying to think of an example but can't just at this moment in time.

[Woodsey]

I've just bought the new Fifa 2011 game for my PS3.

It's so realistic, my missus walked in and Andy Gray told her to fuck off back to the kitchen.

[MANTIS01]

Can people who don't believe groups of young lads out on the pull refer to girls in ways which their mothers wouldn't appreciate please wake up!

And can those who don't think girls might do the same in drunken female company do the same please!

Kthxbye!

no one's saying they don't believe it - we see it/hear it often and no one here lives in a bubble.  it's the suggestion that it's 'the norm' among a majority, and therefore should be considered acceptable, that's being questioned.

I would say that it is the majority......our lot use this term all the time.....not proud of the fact, but the phrase "smash it" has been used for years, prior to that it was "nail" "barrell" etc etc

This is only used in lads talk and happens up and down the land I'm afraid.  You don't honestly think guys say stuff like " Hi mate, did you make love to the pretty girl last night" do
you?

no of course not, and i don't take any exception to whatever words people want to use as slang for fking someone tbh, just saying it makes me cringe when I see the word 'it' used instead of 'her' - presume it's more of a showing off thing among blokes?  I dunno, that's what I'm trying to understand.  And it's not always in relation to talking about conquests - there was some post on one of the 'fit women on telly' threads on here a year or so ago where someone had put up a picture of a woman who, quite frankly, looked like she probably had an eating disorder.  A few of the guys commented that she looked like she needed a good meal, and someone replied along the lines of 'why would you want to ruin that by feeding it?".  Just horribly demeaning language to use imo, and I don't really get the point of it.

Perhaps it goes back to caveman times when men went about bonking women on the head. Primeval instincts we can't control. Anyway, I don't know why it matters so much to women what men say when they get together. It's all bollocks really. Guys lie about the size of the fish they catch, their golf handicap, and their penis length, and when we talk about sex we are all prancing stallions between the sheets. It doesn't mean anything. The reality is chimpanzee Keys only smashes his loyal wife and I can't see potato head Gray being much of a ladykiller. Women should just nod knowingly to themselves that guy talk is just guy talk.

A female journalist asked this week if women can handle equality. Not sure, but nice to also read the female lino is "recovering at home" and being "comforted" by her fiance after her "distressing week". In reality I reckon there should be many more women in the boardrooms of major companies where the real sexism exists and I don't think it helps the situation for women in business to be portrayed as weak emotional figures likely to get upset or feel demeaned by a couple of ageing muppets.

[pokerfan]

I've just bought the new Fifa 2011 game for my PS3.

It's so realistic, my missus walked in and Andy Gray told her to fuck off back to the kitchen.

Haha, new fb status sorted tks.

[TRIP5]

It seems people cant have a private convo now without the thought police coming down on them.... i mean theres never been a convo between a couple of women like this :

did you fuck that John the other night ?
yep
bet you loved that horny bastard hanging out the back of you?
yeah it was ok but his cock was a bit small

( girls roll about laughing )

can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but for me it's the objectifying of the women being spoken about in cases like this that makes me cringe.  see it on the forum now and again too - it's wound me up but there's no point commenting on it and enduring a backlash.  'hanging out of her' or 'smashing her', although not the nicest turns of phrase, are head and shoulders above 'hanging out of it' and 'smashing it'

maybe I'm naive, but there seems to be a suggestion on this thread that all men refer to women in that manner when talking among themselves.  I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I'd say a majority talk like this, not all but def a majority.

Well I know I am not normal in so many ways and think I can claim to be in your minority, however this may be one of those rare cases where your majority is smaller than the minority. (Cliff - your wrong)

I hear people say it all the time, in the 40 and younger group its is def the majority......... You're  old, what do you know!?

FYP

I ain't young mate, but even amongst my age group I hear it lots, and the people I hang with are all sensible professionals, not random fuckwits.

Maybe that's the problem...snobbery at it's elitist, though I'm also in 'your' age bracket and go to football and everything and never have i heard one of the boys referring to someone they were or possibly were with as 'it'...it just would never happen as they'd get a punch from the person they said it to...might be a local thing but not where I'm from...

xx

[Woodsey]

It seems people cant have a private convo now without the thought police coming down on them.... i mean theres never been a convo between a couple of women like this :

did you fuck that John the other night ?
yep
bet you loved that horny bastard hanging out the back of you?
yeah it was ok but his cock was a bit small

( girls roll about laughing )

can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but for me it's the objectifying of the women being spoken about in cases like this that makes me cringe.  see it on the forum now and again too - it's wound me up but there's no point commenting on it and enduring a backlash.  'hanging out of her' or 'smashing her', although not the nicest turns of phrase, are head and shoulders above 'hanging out of it' and 'smashing it'

maybe I'm naive, but there seems to be a suggestion on this thread that all men refer to women in that manner when talking among themselves.  I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I'd say a majority talk like this, not all but def a majority.

Well I know I am not normal in so many ways and think I can claim to be in your minority, however this may be one of those rare cases where your majority is smaller than the minority. (Cliff - your wrong)

I hear people say it all the time, in the 40 and younger group its is def the majority......... You're  old, what do you know!?

FYP

I ain't young mate, but even amongst my age group I hear it lots, and the people I hang with are all sensible professionals, not random fuckwits.

Maybe that's the problem...snobbery at it's elitist, though I'm also in 'your' age bracket and go to football and everything and never have i heard one of the boys referring to someone they were or possibly were with as 'it'...it just would never happen as they'd get a punch from the person they said it to...might be a local thing but not where I'm from...

xx

Meh, all I can say is its so standard I would not even notice it being said, don't know what else to say really............

[TRIP5]

It seems people cant have a private convo now without the thought police coming down on them.... i mean theres never been a convo between a couple of women like this :

did you fuck that John the other night ?
yep
bet you loved that horny bastard hanging out the back of you?
yeah it was ok but his cock was a bit small

( girls roll about laughing )

can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but for me it's the objectifying of the women being spoken about in cases like this that makes me cringe.  see it on the forum now and again too - it's wound me up but there's no point commenting on it and enduring a backlash.  'hanging out of her' or 'smashing her', although not the nicest turns of phrase, are head and shoulders above 'hanging out of it' and 'smashing it'

maybe I'm naive, but there seems to be a suggestion on this thread that all men refer to women in that manner when talking among themselves.  I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I'd say a majority talk like this, not all but def a majority.

Well I know I am not normal in so many ways and think I can claim to be in your minority, however this may be one of those rare cases where your majority is smaller than the minority. (Cliff - your wrong)

I hear people say it all the time, in the 40 and younger group its is def the majority......... You're  old, what do you know!?

FYP

I ain't young mate, but even amongst my age group I hear it lots, and the people I hang with are all sensible professionals, not random fuckwits.

Maybe that's the problem...snobbery at it's elitist, though I'm also in 'your' age bracket and go to football and everything and never have i heard one of the boys referring to someone they were or possibly were with as 'it'...it just would never happen as they'd get a punch from the person they said it to...might be a local thing but not where I'm from...

xx

Meh, all I can say is its so standard I would not even notice it being said, don't know what else to say really............

It's like middle class 'bouquet' instead of bucket syndrome....I blame the Mail readers...really, I do!!

xx

[Woodsey]

It seems people cant have a private convo now without the thought police coming down on them.... i mean theres never been a convo between a couple of women like this :

did you fuck that John the other night ?
yep
bet you loved that horny bastard hanging out the back of you?
yeah it was ok but his cock was a bit small

( girls roll about laughing )

can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but for me it's the objectifying of the women being spoken about in cases like this that makes me cringe.  see it on the forum now and again too - it's wound me up but there's no point commenting on it and enduring a backlash.  'hanging out of her' or 'smashing her', although not the nicest turns of phrase, are head and shoulders above 'hanging out of it' and 'smashing it'

maybe I'm naive, but there seems to be a suggestion on this thread that all men refer to women in that manner when talking among themselves.  I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I'd say a majority talk like this, not all but def a majority.

Well I know I am not normal in so many ways and think I can claim to be in your minority, however this may be one of those rare cases where your majority is smaller than the minority. (Cliff - your wrong)

I hear people say it all the time, in the 40 and younger group its is def the majority......... You're  old, what do you know!?

FYP

I ain't young mate, but even amongst my age group I hear it lots, and the people I hang with are all sensible professionals, not random fuckwits.

Maybe that's the problem...snobbery at it's elitist, though I'm also in 'your' age bracket and go to football and everything and never have i heard one of the boys referring to someone they were or possibly were with as 'it'...it just would never happen as they'd get a punch from the person they said it to...might be a local thing but not where I'm from...

xx

Meh, all I can say is its so standard I would not even notice it being said, don't know what else to say really............

It's like middle class 'bouquet' instead of bucket syndrome....I blame the Mail readers...really, I do!!

xx

Fuck knows mate, I don't really read any papers tbh, I'm sick of the spin I prefer to form my own opinion..........

[Alverton]

A female journalist asked this week if women can handle equality. Not sure, but nice to also read the female lino is "recovering at home" and being "comforted" by her fiance after her "distressing week".

I can't decide whether you've got nuggets where your brain should live or a brain where your nuggets ought to be.

The indupitability of the fucked up-ness of her week means you can bugger right off with your quotation marks and whatever it is you're trying to imply by them.

I highly recommend you review and reflect upon all your opinions on absolutely everything if they're born of a philosphy where you put 2 and 2 together and come up with "100%"
2 and 2 make 4, not 100. Moreover a lot of the time you made one of those 2's up.

I think it and someone posts it

[The Camel]

Not sure if this has been covered in the thread, but quite amusing to remember that the object of Key's sexist comments, Karren Brady, works for arch pornographers Sullivan and Gold.

[MANTIS01]

A female journalist asked this week if women can handle equality. Not sure, but nice to also read the female lino is "recovering at home" and being "comforted" by her fiance after her "distressing week".

I can't decide whether you've got nuggets where your brain should live or a brain where your nuggets ought to be.

The indupitability of the fucked up-ness of her week means you can bugger right off with your quotation marks and whatever it is you're trying to imply by them.

I highly recommend you review and reflect upon all your opinions on absolutely everything if they're born of a philosphy where you put 2 and 2 together and come up with "100%"
2 and 2 make 4, not 100. Moreover a lot of the time you made one of those 2's up.

I think it and someone posts it

Why do posts get deleted?

It's ok though because I can steer Tank back onto the righteous path. Mate, I see men and women as equals. I am passionate about equality. A male linseman would dust off dumb comments like "you don't know what you're doing" with the minimum of fuss. Refs abilities get questioned all the time, but their professionalism means they are hardened to such criticism. They wont go home and cry themselves to sleep because the crowd sang the referee's a wanker. So I give Sian Massey equal credit for having the same level of professionalism and strength of character as any man. I would say she's quite a tough cookie to have entered this profession and risen to the level she has. I am sure she has readied herself for these battles.

Instead, in her moment of reckoning she is portrayed as a tearful forlorn creature. If you want the press to manipulate you into thinking this obvious battler is an emotional wreck after a couple of muppet comments that's your choice. But I don't buy it. I don't think she's had the sort of week she needs to be recovering from. I think she's had the sort of week she was expecting and was prepared for. I think both men and women can handle negative comments in their professional capacity equally. But if you buy into the news that the lino is devastated in the face of mild adversity you allow women generally to be portrayed as weak and that ultimately harms their progress. Can women handle equality? Sure they can, and the lino should be allowed to go out there and do her job just like anyone else. So whilst you may revel in the role of knight to the rescue of women that sort of attitude only harbours the type of sexism you're supposedly attacking.

Also I didn't get the bit about nuggets.

[outragous76]

here is a classic example!

This was posted on Cos' thread this morning by Gatso

[/quote]

she's gonna think you're a proper moron. how's she supposed to give an opinion if you don't make it clear whether you've got hearts?

gl with the legover tonight
[/quote]

This is what is known as a joke, or tongue in cheek comment, or even a turn of phrase

The girl in question has been referenced many times on Blonde this week, and she is even a good friend of a blonde members girlfriend - ergo - offense could easily be caused - nay people might even offer to smash his face in!

However, its a joke, it should be taken that way. No offence is meant to the girl in question. Its a passing comment at best.

Should we hang gatso out to dry for insinuating that this girl is easy (i could go on - you decide)

[Cf]

here is a classic example!

This was posted on Cos' thread this morning by Gatso

she's gonna think you're a proper moron. how's she supposed to give an opinion if you don't make it clear whether you've got hearts?

gl with the legover tonight
[/quote]

This is what is known as a joke, or tongue in cheek comment, or even a turn of phrase

The girl in question has been referenced many times on Blonde this week, and she is even a good friend of a blonde members girlfriend - ergo - offense could easily be caused - nay people might even offer to smash his face in!

However, its a joke, it should be taken that way. No offence is meant to the girl in question. Its a passing comment at best.

Should we hang gatso out to dry for insinuating that this girl is easy (i could go on - you decide)
[/quote]

I vote that we should.