Annoying spot in a £2/£4 game

[NoflopsHomer]

Above my level frankly but there were two tez players sitting with 50bb's in the £2/£4 game on Sky with one average okish reg (125bb's) so I can't turn down this value.

Been playing about 10 minutes when Redmond Lee sits down to my left which is annoying as I know he's quite good. Anyway this spot comes soon after.

5-handed: One of the bad players posts his sb and bb utg (yeah, I know) and then checks.

I make it £16 next to go with , Redmond makes it £40 (he's playing like £400ish at this point, same as me, has 3bet a couple of times, my image for him is probably fairly aggro) from the button. Passed back to me, I 4bet to £100 (It looks like he's making a play over what definitely looks like an iso-move from me). He then flat-calls (fml).

Flop:

I check, he checks.

Turn:

I check, he bets £116, I fold.

Should I be playing any different in this spot?

[paulhouk03]

If u decided to 4 bet I think u have to bet out on any dry board

[cambridgealex]

meh i kno what you mean about these spots. i always level myself into thinking they're just making a move with air and then they always have it.

How much did you start the hand with? I'd probably flat pre, cos I think a 4bet isn't gonna get through all that often if you're deep and he's goona peel most of his 3bet range and then yr oop with £200 already in there. it all depends on how deep you are, I don't know whether you can cbet/ call it off, you will probs have 6 outs if he choses to get stubborn with 99 or TT or 77 and could be in ok shape vs flushdraw. If you started with 100bbs, then you have 300 left at this point, I'd cbet 130 and call off the rest.

Even though you're underolled, I think your reasons for sitting down are fine in the first place, but once other good players come and sit down on your left I'd probs just walk away. 

[boldie]

If u decided to 4 bet I think u have to bet out on any dry board

This for me as well TBH. I understand why you 4-bet here but I thought you were after the money of the mugs which means that I would probably not 4 bet against a good player for the reason that Alex just posted.

Even though you're underolled, I think your reasons for sitting down are fine in the first place, but once other good players come and sit down on your left I'd probs just walk away. 

Very much this for me...don't want to add to the value that the good regs might perceive there to be on the table, unless you can really focus on the 2 bad players.

[NoflopsHomer]

meh i kno what you mean about these spots. i always level myself into thinking they're just making a move with air and then they always have it.

How much did you start the hand with? I'd probably flat pre, cos I think a 4bet isn't gonna get through all that often if you're deep and he's goona peel most of his 3bet range and then yr oop with £200 already in there. it all depends on how deep you are, I don't know whether you can cbet/ call it off, you will probs have 6 outs if he choses to get stubborn with 99 or TT or 77 and could be in ok shape vs flushdraw. If you started with 100bbs, then you have 300 left at this point, I'd cbet 130 and call off the rest.

Even though you're underolled, I think your reasons for sitting down are fine in the first place, but once other good players come and sit down on your left I'd probs just walk away. 

We're only 100bb's effective and I don't want to play a 3bet pot OOP vs a good player since I'm c/fing so much of the time, also I think my hand is beating his range.

If u decided to 4 bet I think u have to bet out on any dry board

Disagree, we only get him to fold A-Q here and even then he might still peel.

[SuuPRlim]

I would never leave just cos another good player sat down, I think thats shamefully nitty, just play under-rolled is irrelevant is you can afford to take a shot for 1/2buyins great spot to watch other really good payers, I wouldnt care about addnig value to the table, you can play the game well and even if someone thnks they are better than you doesnt mean you wont beat them this time.

tbh I think without enough history the 4bet pre is prolly where you went wrong, he's good he thinks your aggro etc but I doubt he is 3betting you THAT wide and there i sno way you can 4bet call 100bbs without significant history and 3bet folding is meh and always sets you up to play yucky hands like this OOP, just fold imo

[cambridgealex]

meh i kno what you mean about these spots. i always level myself into thinking they're just making a move with air and then they always have it.

How much did you start the hand with? I'd probably flat pre, cos I think a 4bet isn't gonna get through all that often if you're deep and he's goona peel most of his 3bet range and then yr oop with £200 already in there. it all depends on how deep you are, I don't know whether you can cbet/ call it off, you will probs have 6 outs if he choses to get stubborn with 99 or TT or 77 and could be in ok shape vs flushdraw. If you started with 100bbs, then you have 300 left at this point, I'd cbet 130 and call off the rest.

Even though you're underolled, I think your reasons for sitting down are fine in the first place, but once other good players come and sit down on your left I'd probs just walk away. 

We're only 100bb's effective and I don't want to play a 3bet pot OOP vs a good player since I'm c/fing so much of the time, also I think my hand is beating his range.

If u decided to 4 bet I think u have to bet out on any dry board

Disagree, we only get him to fold A-Q here and even then he might still peel.

I disagree again, he could be 3betting vwide range vs you if as you say he percieves you to be aggresive, 9Tss, KQ etc he'll fold a lot to a cbet, even if he's folding the worst hand, we still win the pot and don't get bluffed off by checking twice. he could well fold 99/TT even as if he doesnt know us at all, no reason to believe we don't have JJ+ here.

[pleno1]

bet/call flop

[paulhouk03]

Building a bigger pot oop and checking twice seems like burning ££££

[MC]

You have to bet the flop. Gotta rep a big pair surely after you've 4-bet. Even if it's just 1/3 pot.

[AlexMartin]

wp. without a read/history this is absolutely fine.

[cambridgealex]

bet/call flop

he's backkkkkkkk!!!!! whoop. though it must be an imposter as you didn't suggest openfolding pre.

[SuuPRlim]

bet/call flop

spew much?

[cambridgealex]

bet/call flop

spew much?

100bbs deep this is ok isn't it? He bets £130 into £210, guy ships for £300 effective. its 170 to call, pot 510. 3:1 = call no?

[SuuPRlim]

he has no history vs our hero and it seems reasonable to assume we'll have JJ+ most of the time and unreasonable to assume we'll fold. Not sure what Redmond jams that we can call off regardless of the price