Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush

[JamesDeaa]

Venue: G Casino, Piccadilly / LSQ
Game: £1/£1

Been sitting playing for around 7 hours, it is nearly 3am in the morning and the game has had the same members since around 12 o'clock. The game is playing more like a £1/£2/£5 game, there is a straddle nearly every hand except for one guy who doesnt believe in straddling. The smallest stack is around £100, The biggest stack is £800 (button), your sitting with £480 and your in for £180 (£100 buy in and £80 top up after losing 80% of first stack).

You have: 

UTG - (has been raising nearly every other hand, sitting with £250): £8
Cut off - Hero (playing very slowly and quite tight due to others at the table doing alot of raising pre £480): £28
Button - (played 5 hands I can remember seeing, the worst being pocket tens on a low board and paired board and show down, £800): Calls
Straddle - (must be about £400 down and is playing every hand now has about £300): Calls

POT: £112

Flop:

 

Straddle - Check
UTG - Check / Fold
Hero - Check
Button - £60

Hero (should I be raising here or is it making my hand too obvious) and Straddle (sigh) then Calls

Pot: £292

Turn: 



Straddle - Check
Hero - Check
Button - Check

I know I should be betting here but was hoping the button would bet so I can check raise all-in

River: 



Straddle - Check
Hero - £100 (what are peoples views on the amount?
Button - All in
Straddle - (tanks for about 3 or 4 minutes and calls)

What do we do here?

We have £188 of a £480ish stack in the pot, The button who is a ROCK has me covered, im not really to bothered about the straddler, putting him on a J or 4 card flush but not a house or straight flush, with the its the rock im worried about.

Pot total is around £1250 total if we call

Ill put up the result in a while

[SuuPRlim]

hey (ty for making the HH so clear btw, one of the few times i haven't been ridic tilted trying to read a live HH :p )

In all honesty I really dont like any street post flop

flop seems like a perfect flop to lead out, you have a rock, and two guys ready to spazz off and a flop which smashing most pre-flop calling ranges square in the face. hands like JT, KJ with Kspades, KT with a spade, 99/88, 89, J9 even QT so many hands so legitimately placed wthin these 3's pre flop ranges that its almost NEVER going to go bet, fold fold fold, and you can build if you bet ~£60-£75 and get a caller, the pots going to be too big by the turn that most of the hands will be priced into call/stacking off and you'll be playing a £1k pot with 80% equity min nearly always.

as played on the flop, your overcall looks SO strong that I think a small raise might be best, £125 or something, set the turn up to get majority of your stack in - the rock must have a really strong hand (i assume he isn't cold peeling 3bets that wide) and with us having the   that takes   and   out, so id say he has a set here most likely, as i cant see him calling too many   kinda hands pre, certainly not     so he isnt folding a set, raise small and price straddle in to bloat the pot.

also as played I would DEFINATLEY lead the turn, button has next to no flushes in his range and no  Ksx hands
either so it's going to chk through far too often and stop us being able to play for stacks on the river

River is almost certainly a chk fold, btn's range is almost entirely full houses. There's case to bet fold with the straddle in the hand who might call the flush  but btn is going to have a house here just so often given the action. and ofc as played its an EASY fold on the river.

[JamesDeaa]

Quick response, Im interested in more opinions on how others would of played it also.

I kept part of the hand back to see if people thought it was a call or fold. This then happened.

After tanking up for a while must of been a good 5 / 6 minutes the ROCK, announced clock on me (which in a cash game really annoys me) and started to look really agitated, kept looking down at his chips and then seemed to start counting in his head (lips moving and pointing at his stack and fingers and stuff), couldnt work out if this was a sign of insecurity of not.

I then someone how got it into my head the ROCK does not have a house.

What are peoples thoughts on this being a tell of weekness / insecurity on your hand out of interest?

I then call... He had Aces...

What does the fish have?

[SuuPRlim]

I then call... He had Aces...

Wow. Im shocked, I still wouldnt be able to pass over the way the hand has played in spite of the live tell, people react physically to different things in different ways, until I know how I tend to take live reads with a punch of salt unless they blatenty obvious.

You cant really accomodate for such random spackiness tbf

[JamesDeaa]

I then call... He had Aces...

Wow. Im shocked, I still wouldnt be able to pass over the way the hand has played in spite of the live tell, people react physically to different things in different ways, until I know how I tend to take live reads with a punch of salt unless they blatenty obvious.

You cant really accomodate for such random spackiness tbf

I only won the side pot!

[SuuPRlim]

I then call... He had Aces...

Wow. Im shocked, I still wouldnt be able to pass over the way the hand has played in spite of the live tell, people react physically to different things in different ways, until I know how I tend to take live reads with a punch of salt unless they blatenty obvious.

You cant really accomodate for such random spackiness tbf

I only won the side pot!

zomg, the fish has a boat and the rock randomly spews off. fuck your life that's insanely tiltng, I hope the fish didnt have J7 or something cos that would be face through a window tilting lol

[JamesDeaa]

 

Then tells me he would of got the lot in on the turn anyway... pratt.

Its cool, I stacked him with KK v AA... he was sure happy

[NoflopsHomer]

Bet flop and turn tbh.

[pleno1]

its live cash and a board that hits live players ranges pretty hard, bet, bet, jam.

[SuuPRlim]

The thing that's really interesting about this spot imo is how you're sandwiched between two vastly different ranges, one extremely tight and extremely loose.

btn will be chking back/giving up hands with far better equity than those that straddle wil c/call.

With Btn's range being so tight pre,there aren't many hands that can bet this flop, as far as I can see there are four hands realistically  ,  ,  ,  .

There are however SO many hands that straddle can call with (too many to list)

Btn never raises any hand once you bet imo and bets very few hands himself, which he also calls with 100%.

This is why we really have to lead the flop in this spot, vs one range completely inelastic to the flop action (his range to bet the flop is almost exactly the same as his range to call your lead) and vs another range extremely wide and likely to loose equity on lots of turns.

[MC]

I don't understand how you check the flop and turn, when you have the virtual nuts, yet lead the river when you don't.

Betting flop 100% of the time after you've raised pre.

[Ironside]

On flop after your check button bets and straddle calls ship it in otherwise what was the check about?

[Rupert]

Preflops pretty close if they're ever aware of your image/adjust appropriately but this is probably a poor assumption for a £1/1 game in Leicester Square.

Bet flop/turn tho burning money by checking, you don't have to be deceptive against idiots

[JamesDeaa]

ANOTHER HAND FROM ABOUT A HOUR OR SO LATER

We have just doubled up with KK V AA through previously mentioned donk and are sitting at £750

You have: 

UTG HERO - (Has a good image, only shown down some good hands but also been active with out showdown): £6
UTG + 1 - (ROCK as previously discussed): Call
BB - (Really talkative guy, playing alot of hands, pretty smashed): £18

HERO AND + 1 call (Should I raise here to £50ish?)

POT: £55

Flop:



UTG HERO - £32
UTG + 1 - CALLS
BB - raises to £110 leaving £60 behind?

With the rock still to act is this a fold? Is it a fold with out anyone else to act?

[George2Loose]

How do you get all these hands?