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snoopy1239
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« on: February 14, 2011, 06:41:51 PM »

This hand has been bugging me for a while.

I arrive a few minutes into the comp and decide to raise it up to 150 with in early to mid position.
Two callers: Villain 1 & 2 (immediate left and cut-off).

Flop:

I'm first to go and lead for 400.
Villain 1 calls; Villain 2 raises to 1,300.
I flat-call. Villain 1 calls.

Turn:

I check - and likely folding to a big bet - but Villain 1 leads for 1,500.
Villain 2 folds; I call.

River:

I check; Villain 1 checks.
He shows Two Clubs

(1) Should I reraise the flop?
(2) Should I fold the turn?
(3) Should I bluff the river?

Any thoughts/feedback/analysis appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 06:45:04 PM »

Seems ok to me as played
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 06:46:06 PM »

Looks fine to me
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 06:51:24 PM »

Wp
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 07:21:57 PM »

(1) Should I reraise the flop?
(2) Should I fold the turn?
(3) Should I bluff the river?

(1) Nope
(2) Not for that bet  Smiley
(3) You cant rep anything better than what you have, and you have good showdown value with your T.

good hand imo
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 08:04:45 PM »

i'd have played it the same

1) we don't rly wanna play for stacks this deep even tho our hand is pretty strong
2) no
3) if you bluff the river, you are specifically trying to get an ace to fold on a board where a shit load of draws missed (they aren't going to fold an ace).  coupled with the fact that they don't have an ace that often and that we beat some stuff check is clearly best.  small point in this tourney but you should also consider that if you attempt to turn KTs into a bluff here (it's probs more of a value bet/weird merge tbh) then you have very little check behind range and therefore a whopping great river bluff range but as I say this isn't something you especially have to consider in this tournament
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 09:38:35 PM »

As the pros have said u played it spot on champ no need for further disscusions.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2011, 10:45:52 AM »

I think there's a pretty good case for reraising the flop, but other than that yeah I agree with everyone else.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 12:29:14 PM »

I think there's a pretty good case for reraising the flop, but other than that yeah I agree with everyone else.

Hi James. What's your reasoning behind reraising the flop?
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 12:44:56 PM »

Unless you want to get to the bar quick or want to double up or go to bed, 3betting the flop just is bad.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 01:07:02 PM »

Keys vs Crab.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 01:13:22 PM »

No arguing going to happen. Keys knows its bad.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 01:16:59 PM »

Reasoning is we dominate so much and want to get more money in. Yeah if we get all in we're likely against a set, but there are a fair few combo draws we'd love to get it in against, J9 J8 89 86 96 64 of clubs, we're v happy to get more money in against Ax of clubs and this is our best chance do that while we're still ahead, and we're not in terrible shape if we are up against AT, an overpair, 2 pair or a set, some of which we probably get to fold. I guess you're saying the main downside is that we're not in great shape when we get it in, but I don't think it's as bad as you think, see stoves below. The other possible downside is that we perhaps lose a bet from worse top pair hands, but I don't think they're all that likely to be in villain's range and if they are they're unlikely to bet again, or that we get worse flush draws to fold when they would have hit, but I think the risk of that happening is outweighed by the extra money we make from the times they call and miss.

Board:
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   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    46.235%     46.24%    00.00%              5035            0.00   { KcTc }
Hand 1:    53.765%     53.76%    00.00%              5855            0.00   { TT, 77, 55, Jc9c, Jc8c, 9c8c, 8c6c } - vs sets and good combo draws (overcard+gutshot fd or up and down fd)

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    42.548%     42.48%    00.07%              9252           15.00   { KcTc }
Hand 1:    57.452%     57.38%    00.07%             12498           15.00   { TT, 77, 55, T7s, 75s, T7o, 75o } - vs sets and two pairs

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    47.976%     47.93%    00.05%             14234           15.00   { KcTc }
Hand 1:    52.024%     51.97%    00.05%             15436           15.00   { TT, 77, 55, AcQc, AcJc, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, Jc9c, T7s, 9c8c, 8c6c, 75s, T7o, 75o } vs sets, two pairs, good combo draws and some nut fds


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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 01:21:25 PM »

Nice post but your ranges are so far off in a live tournament in level 1 that it makes the whole thing void im afraid. Its easy to argue a case by posting incorrect hand ranges to make our argument appear correct when infact its still wrong.

Obv no offence but you know what I mean. Snoopy is the op, some of the hands mentioned are simply not in villains range preflop and some of them they aint stacking off with that you mention and obviously these are the hands that make our equity appear better than it realistically is.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 01:24:49 PM »

If villain is only raising the flop with sets then yeah it's bad. Any other scenario, e.g. villain raises some nfds or combo draws and then flats the 3bet instead of getting it in, which isn't pure fantasy on my part imo, 3betting the flop becomes best play.
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