Hand Vs ElRupert in Warm Up

[outragous76]

Ok just been back through my HH and I think this is an interesting hand. Outcome is already on the forum but really wondering what people do on the turn?

Set up - 9 people from the bubble (which is like 3 hands). I am fairly sure the blinds are folding hence the open. I havent been at the table for too many hands - i obv know Rupert is very capable.

FWIW - i dont think he knows much about me other than probs recognises name off blonde


PokerStars Game #57618260792: Tournament #406020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1250/2500) - 2011/02/13 16:48:41 ET
Table '406020016 72' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: klappertand (32788 in chips)
Seat 2: pezinnn (49138 in chips)
Seat 3: thesye1 (161159 in chips)
Seat 4: Ajeff007 (30808 in chips)
Seat 5: THE__D__RY (39529 in chips)
Seat 6: Dizzydarts (168165 in chips)
Seat 7: bearbeer123 (114095 in chips)
Seat 8: outragous76 (87079 in chips)
Seat 9: ElRupert (113813 in chips)
klappertand: posts the ante 250
pezinnn: posts the ante 250
thesye1: posts the ante 250
Ajeff007: posts the ante 250
THE__D__RY: posts the ante 250
Dizzydarts: posts the ante 250
bearbeer123: posts the ante 250
outragous76: posts the ante 250
ElRupert: posts the ante 250
klappertand: posts small blind 1250
pezinnn: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [ ]
thesye1: folds
Ajeff007: folds
THE__D__RY: folds
Dizzydarts: folds
bearbeer123: folds
outragous76: raises 3625 to 6125
ElRupert: calls 6125
klappertand: folds
pezinnn: folds

OK - when he flats pre - I have a few thoughts,

1. He doesnt have total junk
2. He could have a monster (given spot)
3. Probs suited connectors or broadways, and happy we are deep enough and the bubble is there that he can outplay me post flop if he needs/wants too


*** FLOP *** [ ]
outragous76: bets 11255
ElRupert: calls 11255

I have to C bet flop? - Felt standard

*** TURN *** [ ] []

As this happened I tanked on the turn and didnt have a clue what to do - i check


outragous76: checks
ElRupert: bets 16825


He bets 17k into like 40k and we are double gutted - but could obv be chopping to the Q - i have 60k behind

Does anyone call?

[The Camel]

I'd never call.

Shove or pass.

[pleno1]

he has a10i/j and isnt folding

[outragous76]

I'd never call.

Shove or pass.

i was so so close to doing that - but i had a lingering doubt about him having AA KK

[Dubai]

Check fold flop

[The Camel]

he has a10i/j and isnt folding

Don't think he's calling a shove here with AJ.

[Rupert]

Yeah I mean it's Sunday i'm probably playing lots of tables (I wasn't) and i'm probably hardly paying attention to who villain is (altho this time I actually googled you cos I recognised lol) so my range is pretty strong here and does pretty decently on that flop so prob just c/f.  I can be flatting some very strong hands here esp if I expect the SB/BB who are pretty short to rip it in quite wide.

Doubt I have a b/f range on turn unless i'm getting pretty out of line which is pretty unlikely

[outragous76]

Yeah I mean it's Sunday i'm probably playing lots of tables (I wasn't) and i'm probably hardly paying attention to who villain is (altho this time I actually googled you cos I recognised lol) so my range is pretty strong here and does pretty decently on that flop so prob just c/f.  I can be flatting some very strong hands here esp if I expect the SB/BB who are pretty short to rip it in quite wide.

Doubt I have a b/f range on turn unless i'm getting pretty out of line which is pretty unlikely

I obv didnt have your time at the table with the blinds - but with 2-3 hands to the bubble and a sunday cash i just figured they would be folding.

[George2Loose]

Empty the clip?

[redarmi]

Not sure I love the C-bet here.  He is very likely to have a part of it and also very likely to be ahead of your opening range here (I might just remember a specific post but I am pretty sure I have read on blonde about how you like to exploit the bubble too).  I would also be thinking to myself that of all the players at the table the one I don't want to be playing a big pot against is Rupert who could quite easily (maybe even probably) have cards that either make your draw either to a chop or six cards (ie he has the flushg cards).  If I had to put him on a hand I would say something like JTss or Axss and he isn't folding those kind of hands.  Just fold.

[DMorgan]

Just fold pre when theres a capable player with a big stack behind you, you're just asking for him to own you in position on the bubble

[outragous76]

Just fold pre when theres a capable player with a big stack behind you, you're just asking for him to own you in position on the bubble

if had seen him taking advantage of the bubble then i would have, but he hadnt played a hand so the blinds looked like mine

[Whollyflush]

Empty the clip?

ye, its a good board in general for it. if effective stacks were like 45bb+ id be 3 balling for sure but seems to shallow here. With these stack sizes id just c/f  the flop aswell.

[AlexMartin]

Empty the clip?

ye, its a good board in general for it. if effective stacks were like 45bb+ id be 3 balling for sure but seems to shallow here. With these stack sizes id just c/f  the flop aswell.

this

[BulldozerD]

Prob bet a bit smaller on flop and give up now