£150nl Deep

[pleno1]

Time for the reveal?

Norrrr, Keys/Al Martin to come yet bro.

DMorgan went with 120-snap. See if they agree with him.

poor lildave's opinion is not counted as one of the big three. i feel for ya brother.

rofl gfy

[Boba Fett]

I would never ever check this river. EVER.

would rather jam river than chk

Agree

[pleno1]

Just for everyones information, I checked..

[Cf]

Just for everyones information, I checked..

And he...

[SuuPRlim]

my point is from a theoretical aspect the only way to play inexploitabley here is to bet call

sry im prob being thick but surely he must bluff sometime if we check to make bet calling the only inexploitable strategy.

we're dealing with such narrow (and strong primarily value based ranges) that we miss tons of value by checking, and leave ourselves wide exploitable if we bet fold (not saying that isnt the best option in this vacuum) just saying from an overall GT angle its a  bet call imo

checking is exploitable because he can now chk AA back and he has virtuall

[GreekStein]

If you jam does this guy call aa/kk or are you confident he folds them?

There's a lot og live players I'd just jam into in a spot like this because they'll say, 'erghhh I'm beat, I call', or 'I can't fold this (one pair) hand, I call'.

[pleno1]

If you jam does this guy call aa/kk or are you confident he folds them?

There's a lot og live players I'd just jam into in a spot like this because they'll say, 'erghhh I'm beat, I call', or 'I can't fold this (one pair) hand, I call'.

Nah he folds if I 2.5x pot shove. Def.

[doubleup]

my point is from a theoretical aspect the only way to play inexploitabley here is to bet call

sry im prob being thick but surely he must bluff sometime if we check to make bet calling the only inexploitable strategy.

we're dealing with such narrow (and strong primarily value based ranges) that we miss tons of value by checking, and leave ourselves wide exploitable if we bet fold (not saying that isnt the best option in this vacuum) just saying from an overall GT angle its a  bet call imo

checking is exploitable because he can now chk AA back and he has virtuall

I agree if the ranges are wider bet call prob best, but in this case if he has exactly aa,kk, and ak and he will jam all these if we bet, but only bet ak if we check, then check fold has to be best. 

If the pot is 250 and we bet call, we have 12/28 of a 1250 pot, so 536 for the 500 river bet - 36 profit,  but if he only bets ak on the river and we fold 16/28, we get 12/28 of 250 - 107 profit. 

[SuuPRlim]

my point is from a theoretical aspect the only way to play inexploitabley here is to bet call

sry im prob being thick but surely he must bluff sometime if we check to make bet calling the only inexploitable strategy.

we're dealing with such narrow (and strong primarily value based ranges) that we miss tons of value by checking, and leave ourselves wide exploitable if we bet fold (not saying that isnt the best option in this vacuum) just saying from an overall GT angle its a  bet call imo

checking is exploitable because he can now chk AA back and he has virtuall

I agree if the ranges are wider bet call prob best, but in this case if he has exactly aa,kk, and ak and he will jam all these if we bet, but only bet ak if we check, then check fold has to be best. 

If the pot is 250 and we bet call, we have 12/28 of a 1250 pot, so 536 for the 500 river bet - 36 profit,  but if he only bets ak on the river and we fold 16/28, we get 12/28 of 250 - 107 profit. 

nice. I think he has more hands than AA KK AK from description but this proves chk call is nut low option which i 100% agree with 100% ofc

[pleno1]

Guys I am gauranteeing you that he 100% bets AA/KK on the turn.

[TheFallen]

one of the problems is that if he is a good hand reader and you try to induce a raise he will sniff it out.

however, if he overvalues hands and is a plo player then he will probably over value certain bluffing spots in holdem. Gotta agree with DMorgan. Its the highest variance but gives him the chance to make the biggest mistake or pay u off with some random hand. 

[pleno1]

Also we had this dynamic where we would bet increments of $74. He strated throwing green chips in (hundos) and saying $74 and everybody made big deals about it, so could potentially use this on river if I somehow intended to induce a huge (multiple buy in) bluff.

[skolsuper]

4bet pre. Bet-fold river w/o a good reason to call, say for example he scratches his nose or something, then snap that bluffing bastard off.

[NoflopsHomer]

4bet pre. Bet-fold river w/o a good reason to call, say for example he scratches his nose or something, then snap that bluffing bastard off.

I disagree, don't break his nose.

[pleno1]

4bet pre. Bet-fold river w/o a good reason to call, say for example he scratches his nose or something, then snap that bluffing bastard off.

4bet/6bet jam? Or 4betf?