Ruling - right to see hand?

[david3103]

Cash table at DTD

Player A raises pre, bets the flop and turn and then bets the river and is called by B

B declares two pair
Player A says 'you're good' and folds

Player D asks to see Player A's hand

Robert's Rules says 'Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked.'

Player A - seemed to be a regular refuses to show and pushes his cards into the muck.

I wasn't inclined to make an issue of it, but... Is this a specific DTD variance to the normal rules?

(edited - to clarify that I'm asking specifically about DTD rules)

[The Camel]

Why would Player D ever want to see Player A's hand?

It's none of his business, wasting time and possibly humiliating to player A.

Get on with the game please.

[Karabiner]

It's generally considered to be "bad form" to demand to see a losing hand in a cash game.

You could also get hoisted by your own petard if player A is accidentally folding the winning hand.

I do think that if it goes check check on the river then the first to act should open his hand.

[MC]

Why would Player D ever want to see Player A's hand?

It's none of his business, wasting time and possibly humiliating to player A.

Get on with the game please.

+1

[boldie]

Why would Player D ever want to see Player A's hand?

It's none of his business, wasting time and possibly humiliating to player A.

Get on with the game please.

+1

+2

[gatso]

It's generally considered to be "bad form" to demand to see a losing hand in a cash game.

You could also get hoisted by your own petard if player A is accidentally folding the winning hand.

I do think that if it goes check check on the river then the first to act should open his hand.

that would only apply if B asked to see. as it was D the hand should be killed first

D really should gtfo here though even though technically he should be able to ask

[The Camel]

Player A was almost certainly bluffing.

By looking at his cards to confirm this there is a good chance he'll get angry and leave the game, or be embarrassed and not bluff again.

Both are much more -ev than the tiny +ev you'll gain by seeing his cards.

[StuartHopkin]

Was this early Saturday evening?

[AceofWands]

This doesn't really answer the question what the rule actually is at DTD (or elsewhere).  Bad form isn't a rule. Bad business isn't a rule. 

Players in in poker games frequently do things that are downright rude but any rules the casino have don't seem stop them from doing it.

[The Camel]

This doesn't really answer the question what the rule actually is at DTD (or elsewhere).  Bad form isn't a rule. Bad business isn't a rule. 

Players in in poker games frequently do things that are downright rude but any rules the casino have don't seem stop them from doing it.

Obviously the answer is yes, player D is allowed to see Player A's cards.

[gatso]

This doesn't really answer the question what the rule actually is at DTD (or elsewhere).  Bad form isn't a rule. Bad business isn't a rule. 

Players in in poker games frequently do things that are downright rude but any rules the casino have don't seem stop them from doing it.

Obviously the answer is yes, player D is allowed to see Player A's cards.

ya, this. rule quoted in op is correct everywhere that I know of

[Woodsey]

A few things piss me off regularly at DTD in the cash games.

Number one is when players reach showdown and there is a reluctance for anyone to show their hand even the guy who has been called on the river, there is often this silent stand off until one player eventually turns over their cards. Get on with the game FFS!

Also, if I call a player on the river and they announce when they have rather than show. If I don't answer it means I want you to turn your cards over so I can see what you have without being rude and asking you to do it, show or muck FFS!

Too many players around the game have no clue about etiquette or choose to ignore it, even though they are not new to the game.

[ScottMGee]

Number one is when players reach showdown and there is a reluctance for anyone to show their hand even the guy who has been called on the river, there is often this silent stand off until one player eventually turns over their cards. Get on with the game FFS!

Also, if I call a player on the river and they announce when they have rather than show. If I don't answer it means I want you to turn your cards over so I can see what you have without being rude and asking you to do it, show or muck FFS!

+1

If called, even with a bluff I wait no more than 1 sec to see if the calling playing shows a winning hand. If not I turn over my hand.

The only time I instantly show (whether caller or called) is if I have the nuts!

[doubleup]

Obviously the answer is yes, player D is allowed to see Player A's cards.

ya, this. rule quoted in op is correct everywhere that I know of

a few places in vegas - eg the venetian- have stopped "i want to see the hand"

as far as op is concerned I agree 100% with woodsey, this whole showdown is complete nonsense.  Player A has been called and the dealer should ask him to showdown.  Player B chooses to announce his hand out of turn, then wants to see the other players hand?  Why doesn't he just stfu and wait for the showdown?

[Nico29]

Obviously the answer is yes, player D is allowed to see Player A's cards.

ya, this. rule quoted in op is correct everywhere that I know of

a few places in vegas - eg the venetian- have stopped "i want to see the hand"

as far as op is concerned I agree 100% with woodsey, this whole showdown is complete nonsense.  Player A has been called and the dealer should ask him to showdown.  Player B chooses to announce his hand out of turn, then wants to see the other players hand?  Why doesn't he just stfu and wait for the showdown?

Dont be so harsh on plyr b its player D whos asking to see the hand!

Had something dodgy happen to me in a cash game last month.

I made a hero call on the river with something like 3rd pair, guy who's been called announces two pair. I'm like that's good mate and go to muck.

Dealer's obv seen this b4 and recognising the poss angle shoot due to my naivety, stops me from mucking and says to my opponent, dont just announce it, show it.

Guy dsnt want to show and its finally revealed he had fall and was on a moody/angle shoot on the river.

He was gonna get kicked out but they just marked his card and i scooped the cpla hundo pot.

Wont be so quick to muck next time on showdown, but as a relative cash novice-im a tournament player, i just never thought ppl wld try stuff like that.