NL200 RUSH Facing overshove

[cambridgealex]

yeh surely if he folds 95% of the time then you're making massive mistakes by not 4bet bluffing loads. And if you are, then you have to have da premiums in there too. This 95% figure is surely wayyyyyy wrong though.

[pleno1]

he doesn't fold 95% of the time, or even 50% of the time and while i realise the hand is somewhat in a vacuum, it is still important to have a 4 bet range so you can occasionally bluff

I actually 4b bluff against people I know 3bet light, and after a couple of times I can then have a balanced range but with this guy I was readless.

[pleno1]

yeh surely if he folds 95% of the time then you're making massive mistakes by not 4bet bluffing loads. And if you are, then you have to have da premiums in there too. This 95% figure is surely wayyyyyy wrong though.

Yeah I just mean alot.

[pleno1]

yeh surely if he folds 95% of the time then you're making massive mistakes by not 4bet bluffing loads. And if you are, then you have to have da premiums in there too. This 95% figure is surely wayyyyyy wrong though.

I'd take the over on 50% though.

[pleno1]

I think my thought process was that I was going to jam over any turn bet. But when he checked turn it really surprised me and I thought he had  aa/qq/jj/air. I guess I should have put flush draws in here as he may c/jam them. I thought by betting I just fold out everything but sets/AA. I was intending on checking back turn and going for thin value on river incase he has some kind of bluff catcher, or let him bet. If he bets medium-pot I obv flick it in but here it just really confused me and because I have so many flushes in my range it just didnt make sense to me that he would jam. Unless he has AhXx

But all he has done is 3 bet pre  - c bet (which is prob 100%)

he can easily have QJ or a fd here too - or air obv

but you say you have a post flop edge - but in this pot its  a perfect example where you have at no point taken the lead in the hand and can be folding the best hand on the river having no idea where you are (at any point). Your hand is super under-repped and you havent given him a reason not to bet the river (with or without the goods)

So how big is you post flop edge playing 100bbs effective? Its only an edge because you want a dry low flop where he can get it in due to your under repped hand - thats not an edge thats slow playing

Yeah I mean QJx isnt a great flop for me whe I've been 3bet from the blinds after I've opened from early. His "getting it in" range here pretty much destroys me imo.

[pleno1]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  21,780  games     0.062 secs   351,290  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    34.024%     31.79%    02.24%              6923          487.50   { KhKs }
Hand 1:    65.976%     63.74%    02.24%             13882          487.50   { JJ+, AhKh, AQs, AhTh, KQs, QJs, QhTh, Th9h }

[SuuPRlim]

he doesn't fold 95% of the time, or even 50% of the time and while i realise the hand is somewhat in a vacuum, it is still important to have a 4 bet range so you can occasionally bluff

+1

[AlexMartin]

4b pre ofc, as played i wouldnt raise flop but i would fold river.