COS vs PADS - POT 1

[pleno1]

We spoke about this on the phone for 5 mins or so, whats everyones opinions on both our plays?


***** Hand History for Game 29709425619 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 07, 05:03:05 ET 2011
Table Tierra Baja (heads up) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: pads1161 ( $50.60 USD )
Seat 2: GreekStein ( $200.05 USD )
pads1161 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
GreekStein posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pads1161 [  ]
pads1161 raises [$1.25 USD]
GreekStein calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
GreekStein checks
pads1161 bets [$2.50 USD]
GreekStein raises [$7.50 USD]
pads1161 calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
GreekStein checks
pads1161 bets [$11.50 USD]
GreekStein raises [$191.05 USD]
pads1161 calls [$30.10 USD]
GreekStein shows [, ]
pads1161 shows [, ]
GreekStein wins $149.45 USD
** Dealing River ** [ ]
GreekStein wins $100.70 USD from main pot

[cambridgealex]

***** Hand History for Game 29709425619 ***** (Full Tilt)
Seat 1: pads1161 ( $50.60 USD )
Seat 2: GreekStein ( $200.05 USD )

Unlucky

[George2Loose]

Think Cos's check on the turn is most interesting aspect of the hand

[cambridgealex]

I'd parbs check back the turn if I were you pleno.

Cos' line is fine if he'd play any value hands the same, sets/two pairs etc. probs need to mix a few one pair hands in that double c/r range as well to keep the value part of it wide enough.

[Free_Rollin]

Don't like bet-calling turning from Pleno's perspective. Then again I don't like Cos' check much either. Imo, Cos should bet, Pleno should check. Obviously this is in a standard situation, we're not sure how the game was being played, although I'm guessing you were getting it in light?

[Free_Rollin]

I'd parbs check back the turn if I were you pleno.

Cos' line is fine if he'd play any value hands the same, sets/two pairs etc. probs need to mix a few one pair hands in that double c/r range as well to keep the value part of it wide enough.

If Cos is checking and getting Pleno to stack off with a 10 here against our value range, then Cos' play is lovely.

[cambridgealex]

who won the match?!

[pleno1]

I'd parbs check back the turn if I were you pleno.

Cos' line is fine if he'd play any value hands the same, sets/two pairs etc. probs need to mix a few one pair hands in that double c/r range as well to keep the value part of it wide enough.

If Cos is checking and getting Pleno to stack off with a 10 here against our value range, then Cos' play is lovely.

Yeah bro, but his value range is so small.

[Whollyflush]

Don't really like Cos' line, your line is fine. I'd prefer cos to bet/call the turn or even check call as he has far too much equity and 1 barrel is unlikely to get through on this turn.

You can maybe check the flop but i don't know how the match was playing.

[cambridgealex]

yeh prefer c/c or bet/call from cos

[DMorgan]

Definitely check back the turn

Its a way ahead/way behind spot. Either you're good and he has at best 30% equity or you're behind and drawing dead/have 5 outs. Usually in these spots its way better to check because when you bet he's only folding all his hand that you have dead and might bluff the river and jamming all the hands that crush you

In this habd he happened to have the big semi-bluff but you need a sick read to be able to bet/call flop and turn here. Its gunna be massive spew the vast majority of the time with second pair imo.

[GreekStein]

In retrospect I think we both played this hand but I think I'm game time based on flow, what we each did isn't so bad.

Don't know if this is bad but when I c-raised flop I felt pads was really light and thought he'd just fold turn if I bet whereas I also fancied he'd bet/fold a bunch too and the times he calls, I have decent equity.

Really enjoyed this hu game and I hope to play some more.

[pleno1]

Definitely check back the turn

Its a way ahead/way behind spot. Either you're good and he has at best 30% equity or you're behind and drawing dead/have 5 outs. Usually in these spots its way better to check because when you bet he's only folding all his hand that you have dead and might bluff the river and jamming all the hands that crush you

In this habd he happened to have the big semi-bluff but you need a sick read to be able to bet/call flop and turn here. Its gunna be massive spew the vast majority of the time with second pair imo.

What hands do you think he goes for a double c/r with for value though, it seems like an extremely ambitious line if I'm "supposed" to be checking back hands as strong as I have. The board is k7103 double flush draw, I'm not going to be bet calling it off with worse flush/straight draws so I only ever really have monster draws/pairs that I'm not folding.

Its interesting that a really good sng player (dmorgan) has a oposite opinion to a really good hunl cash player (whollyflush)

[GreekStein]

The board is k107 pads. I have 89dd

[Dubai]

Cos should probably always bet the turn and Pleno should probably always check it. Its a single raised pot, stacking off with 2nd pair without some insane read for 100bb is gonna be just spew