Flatter Payout Structures - "It's Your Money" have your say - Elimination Poll 1

[CoolHand]

Hi,

I heard that many of the big game organisors were seriously considering making the cutting pf deals by players on the final table illegal.

Surely this would be the best way to deal with it.

Yes, sure it can end in a crap shoot, but isn't that going to be the same in any game in any town.

At the end of the day, for poker to become completely mainstream and rid itself of this "seedy back room gambling" image, then proper rules and procedures must be introduced to ban these kind of deals.

It certainly makes for terrible TV watching players negotiate during a hand.

I can't imagine the likes of two tennis players meeting at the net to discuss sharing the prize money!!

My tuppennies worth.

Rich

[snoopy1239]

This rule has been applied in the Grosvenor Walsall casino.

Unfortunately, although they can force people to play out a tournament, they can't stop them doing deals away from the table. Therefore, players agree on a deal and then just finish the comp in a crapshoot style.

[Scottish Dave]

This rule has been applied in the Grosvenor Walsall casino.

Unfortunately, although they can force people to play out a tournament, they can't stop them doing deals away from the table. Therefore, players agree on a deal and then just finish the comp in a crapshoot style.

yes but that can only happen if all parties agree

if it did become illegal, it then protects against newbie being bullied into a Chop!

[Bongo]

yes but that can only happen if all parties agree

if it did become illegal, it then protects against newbie being bullied into a Chop!

I don't see how it changes anything from deals being legal, apart from introducing the risk of the "winner" taking the money and running.

[Karabiner]

If tennis players were playing for their own money, maybe things would be different.

What gives cardrooms the right to tell the players how to divide up their own money?

 

[snoopy1239]

This rule has been applied in the Grosvenor Walsall casino.

Unfortunately, although they can force people to play out a tournament, they can't stop them doing deals away from the table. Therefore, players agree on a deal and then just finish the comp in a crapshoot style.

yes but that can only happen if all parties agree

if it did become illegal, it then protects against newbie being bullied into a Chop!

All parties need to agree whether the casino allows deals or not.

A hit and run, as another member highlighted, would be my concern.

[RED-DOG]

IMHO, impossible to stop deals, or to make players play to a finish, they could all go all in every hand after the deal has been done. The solution is to use a structure that makes deals unnecassary/unlikley

[freak]

we cap the blinds at 3000-6000 or 4000-8000 depending on the chips in play festival events will obviously go higher but not much

[ifm]

Deals are not illegal, what the ruling is is that the casino will only pay out the advertised pay structure and you can't do deals at the table.
We actually did a deal at the table, dealer couldn't do anything as you have 2 mins to dwell.
Thing is you then have to each get your money then pool it and chop it up.
All it is now is inconvenient for us.
Ian

[freak]

as stated before
How can a casino possibly ban deals its not the casinos money and surely it is up to the players to decide if they wish to split the money
However much i would like to see every comp played out the lure of a good deal to the shorter stack is often too much

[Yogi-Bear]

AS you all keep stating the money is yours.

Try convincing certain people of that. I keep repeating it but certain people believe it isn't your money until you win it. Therefore, If you finish in 4th that is what you get paid. I'm not a great believer in deals away from the tables, and would prefer to hear what is said and what is going on. I'd rather know someone has said No and is being played against by the others, and be able to do something about it, rather than guessing what has gone on in the toilet.

Grosvenor introduced the "All competitions must be played to a conclusion" rule, to try to educate players who always do deals that they shouldn't. They were also meant to try to flatten the payout structure to try to promote games finishing. Because at the end of the day with television getting involved it doesn't help the image any if they do cut deals.

I for one know that they need flattening more here, and will be doing so in the not to distant future.

Yogi

[Nightfly]

I for one know that they need flattening more here, and will be doing so in the not to distant future.

Yogi,
I hope that you will find the results of this poll useful. i must say that the votes so far seem to indicate that your current structure (2) and mine (4) are not very high in the popularity stakes.

[redsimon]

I for one know that they need flattening more here, and will be doing so in the not to distant future.

Yogi,
I hope that you will find the results of this poll useful. i must say that the votes so far seem to indicate that your current structure (2) and mine (4) are not very high in the popularity stakes.

I think I'm the one who voted for (4)...but I only play once in a blue moon 

[AdamM]

people say "it's our money" like we're all in it together. It's not my money, it's theirs. They being my 100 opponents. I'm afrter a fair payout structure of their money based on my performance on the night. I'f I've performed better than the others at the final table I want to be rewarded fairly for that and I when deals are discussed I'm pretty sure my opponent rarely have my interests at heart. I will NEVER do a deal that involves chopping it away from the table. I've met some decent blokes at the tables but not as many as I've met scum bags

[Karabiner]

Harsh, but fair.