Automatic call?

[TightEnd]

Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2)
Table 'Asterope III' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dwwg ($168.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Prewie ($402.95 in chips)
Seat 3: kolobokk ($129.05 in chips)
Seat 4: homeboy604 ($189.30 in chips)
Seat 5: cfknicks ($328.85 in chips)
Seat 6: abbyrick ($55.75 in chips)
Seat 7: vadp ($125.05 in chips)
Seat 8: matmat17 ($159.85 in chips)
cfknicks: posts small blind $1
abbyrick: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Prewie [As ]
vadp: calls $2
matmat17: calls $2
dwwg: folds
Prewie: raises $12 to $14
kolobokk: folds
homeboy604: folds
cfknicks: folds
abbyrick: calls $12
vadp: calls $12
matmat17: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [ ]
abbyrick: checks
vadp: checks
matmat17: checks
Prewie: bets $42
abbyrick: folds
vadp: calls $42
matmat17: raises $103.85 to $145.85 and is all-in


a flush draw and another Ace?

[ifm]

Could be 2 pair/trips somewhere but yes i call.

[jezza777]

could be a set , even aq or as you say the suited . I think its a made hand because he is raising you and the caller in between and it looks like he is trying to protect his hand . Moving in on this flop against a preflop raiser and caller and a flop bet and call shows tremendous strength.
Its not a automatic call , notes on the player would sway my decision but I could fold here.

[TightEnd]

I have no knowledge of the players

I have been sat down for 15 minutes and have turned $200 into $400. Big hands have been paid off.

[Royal Flush]

Stick it in, then wonder how 3 people called a 7x bb raise pre flop.

[Nem]

could be a set , even aq or as you say the suited . I think its a made hand because he is raising you and the caller in between and it looks like he is trying to protect his hand . Moving in on this flop against a preflop raiser and caller and a flop bet and call shows tremendous strength.
Its not a automatic call , notes on the player would sway my decision but I could fold here.

 

[Dewi_cool]

you dont know what vadp is going to do so you could be behind to 2 hands, I fold, and find a better spot to put my money in

[Timaloy]

Though one, 7x the bb raise pre flop is a little big for my taste in mid position and when 3 ppl call it shows possibly 2 pps and another big ace mby.  Donno how the table has been loose/tight ect.  Guess its been pretty loose if 3 ppl call the 7x bb raise. 

About a pot size bet on the flop and its been called then reraised over $100 and you still have vadp to act after you.

I would probebly fold here, A5, AQ (very possible) or the hidden trips.  Some one could be really tight and smoth call with queens here and make sure there are no over cards on the board before preceeding.

Hands you can beat are AJ-6 (wouldnt expect anyone to call a preflop raise that big with aj but havent seen the game) could be Ax of clubs. AK for a split. Pocket kings (unlikly, no reraise preflop).

Cant see anyone making these moves with any mid pr's or just a pr of queens.

Could be really weak but I would fold here.

[jezza777]

The more i digest this the more I think fold - tell me your gonna tell us what happened?

[Longy]

I think i have to fold here the raise is substantial enough so you certainly are not priced in. What are you beating is the big question here. I think him having AK is a possibility so thats a split. Um only a very loose aggressive make this move with a smaller ace (even ace jack). He could have the ace with a flush draw which you are just ahead of. Everything else i would discount as Jezza says this screams strength as remember there is another flat caller.

In actual fact i think the most likely holding here is AQ he is protecting his made hand against the flush draw or pocket 5's. He is a loose pre flop player i suppose a5 is a possibility and if he is passive QQ is also within the range.

Overall i have to fold you look beat for mine. Tricky laydown though.

[The Baron]

This is a clear fold to me. You are behind with no draws. Save your money for a better spot.

[snoopy1239]

Don't forget that Mat was the final caller so could easily be calling for value and implied odds if he hits with a marginal hand.

You don't have to worry too much about the other caller as his stack isn't big enough to hurt you. Also, I can't see what he'd be flatcalling with except a flush draw or a weaker ace. The preflop raise seems to big to play pocket fives.

He may have trips, but it would be a set of fives. I expect he'd reraise preflop with queens or aces to find out where he is.

AQ is a massive possibilty. Sooooo many players flatcall preflop raises with AQ. Plus, it isn't a hand that want's too much action, whilst a set of fives might prefer to trapcall.

I don't think he's got the flush draw. You have the king of clubs, don't forget. So, he'd have to have made top pair and the flush draw, unless of course he messing around with suited connectors. Just remember, if you are proved right and he's semii-bluffing a flush draw, he can still beat you.

Although I don't put him on too many possible hands, I'd fold due to suspecting an AQ. Although, if u did call, you'd at least have an out in the king.


What happened?

[Nem]

Do you think Vadp could be flat calling TE $42 bet with pockets 5's?

[snoopy1239]

Do you think Vadp could be flat calling TE $42 bet with pockets 5's?

very possible, but not sure if he'd call preflop with fives.

I'd be more inclined to put him on aJ or something.

Suppose he could be trapping with AQ.

Very tricky hand.

[Timaloy]

Yeah he could be but flat trap calling but with a set of against possibly 2 pr or a flush draw is risky and with a pot that big the risk seems less liky.