How often are you willing to get it all-in pre flop with A,K?

[michman879]

This is so tricky to play and I hate it if I'm re-raised after I raised with it pre flop.

The problem I have is that people will play A,K like they play Aces or Kings for example and treat it as the nuts already. The

amount of times I've folded Queens to shoves and found out I'm up against A,K really irrates me. I then sometimes go with my gut

instict and call a shove only to find I'm totally dominated agaisn't Aces or Kings.

Is their a rule thumb you use when playing Ace,King?

People are will to shove in cash games, tournaments and SnG's yet I'm usually not so forth coming. The only time I'm happy to shove

A,K is If I know a player is likely to shove with a weaker A,10+ card and if in tournament mode and low on blinds then it's very

easy to shove or call with I'm just struggling with full stack play.

Is it very player dependent?

Cash games: I'm willing only if I'm up against someone who I know will shove with a weaker ace.

Tournament: Only willing to shove or call a shove in later stages.


There is also speculation that A,K is worth a shove or call of a shove in early blind levels of tournament play, is this true? Who

does this? Also I see people quite happily shove A,K in cash games deep stacked and this is at all levels in poker not just micro

limits..

Last but not least, are you willing to take a "flip" vs a pair with A,K? What circumstances will you let this happen in ? If you're

quite sure you're up against any under pairs Queens and below when will you call a shove with or are you willing to do it every

time at any stage in a tournament or cash game for that matter?

I just find this hand so frustrating and can't see a correct way to play it at all. Is it profitable to coin flip vs under pairs

with full stacks or only profitable in tournament/short stack cash game mode to stack off with it?

Would love some Tournament players inputs on it and cash game players input regarding A,K in cash games.

[cambridgealex]

Eh? See a flop first, see if you hit. After all, it's just ace high.

[bhoywonder]

It depends....is my simple answer

[Leatherman]

Eh? See a flop first, see if you hit. After all, it's just ace high.

Really...

[Leatherman]

Glad you posted this to be honest because at the moment i have a love hate for AK and will be interested in the feedback you get. obv none from me because i'm a small losing player who can't make day2 of deepstack..
 

[smashedagain]

Eh? See a flop first, see if you hit. After all, it's just ace high.

Really...

Smell a level here and would not be surprised if young alex was in on it lol.
I'm here at Dtd playing poker for heros not poker for arseholes

[cambridgealex]

In a cash game, I'm "taking a flip" with AK 100% of the time as there's always dead money in the middle making it +ev. This stands for expected value. Sorry if you already know this but I'm just guessing from your post that you might not.

What this means is say you oppenent has moved allin for 100pounds, and you've raised to 10 already, that means its 90more to win 110 so if you're 50/50 to win the hand, you're going to make money on the call because you win 110 50% of the time and lose 90 50% of the time. There's loads of points you've raised- I can't answer them all now, I'm on a train. Also, loads of them are very situation dependant.

On a basic level, AK is the nuts, there'll be very few situations where it's correct to fold it pre in the mid-late stages of a tournament.

[cambridgealex]

Also, shouldn't this be in pha?

[MC]

tl;dr

[TightEnd]

tl;dr

completely new member, asking sensible questions

and that response is going to encourage the new member to post again James?

[TightEnd]

Also, shouldn't this be in pha?

possibly.

Let see how it goes here as its general strategy rather than a

[kinboshi]

In a cash game, I'm "taking a flip" with AK 100% of the time as there's always dead money in the middle making it +ev. This stands for expected value. Sorry if you already know this but I'm just guessing from your post that you might not.

What this means is say you oppenent has moved allin for 100pounds, and you've raised to 10 already, that means its 90more to win 110 so if you're 50/50 to win the hand, you're going to make money on the call because you win 110 50% of the time and lose 90 50% of the time. There's loads of points you've raised- I can't answer them all now, I'm on a train. Also, loads of them are very situation dependant.

On a basic level, AK is the nuts, there'll be very few situations where it's correct to fold it pre in the mid-late stages of a tournament.

AK is 50/50 against which hands that move all-in for £100?

[cambridgealex]

Yes that's right boshi. Always.

One of OPs questions was if you're sure your opponent has a pair qq or under do you always take the flip. I was answering that question. Just cos you're a crazy gambler who puts in 100s with K7o doesn't mean the rest of us are.

[kinboshi]

AK sure is 50/50 against QQ.

[cambridgealex]

Lost of players put in 100 with small pairs. In the DTD 50/1 games loads of ppl 3bet 22 etc to induce a 4bet then they 5bet jam so imo calling with AK is very profitable against these scandi lagtards.