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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 04:35:10 PM »

Exactly this ^

No-ones ever folding, and no1 will exploit or even notice my very unbalanced range.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 05:36:55 PM »

A lot of the responses do seem to be missing the point. OP doesn't expect or want a single person to fold, nor think it's that neccesary to be balanced in your standard live £.50/1 game.

If you're at a table full of mugs balancing your range here doesn't matter. They don't know wtf is going on.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2011, 03:27:32 PM »

Dont think building the pot in ssnl live is gonna be a problem. In deeper, nitfish-infested games then boom yes (because we can win it a lot of the time post anyway (when it goes 2/3way) and we get some camouflage on our range). fk im gonna patent that.



So you would raise small/build a pot in live cash game with premiums? If not then we aren't balanaced at all right?

I like to raise biggish in live cash games and think that if we are going to camouflage any range at all then it should be our limp/limp behind range.

yer, basically balancing ur range in a weak game with regs you wont play enough hands with for them to adjust properly (if they adjust at all, if there is a correct adjustment/if they make the correct adjustment) is sub-optimal. anyone thinking balance is important here is way off the mark i think.
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 02:13:37 AM »

^  play every hand optimally in a vacuum and ul be fine @ live pokers and if you cant do this then ffs stand up and sit in a better game
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 01:50:21 PM »

Dont think building the pot in ssnl live is gonna be a problem. In deeper, nitfish-infested games then boom yes (because we can win it a lot of the time post anyway (when it goes 2/3way) and we get some camouflage on our range). fk im gonna patent that.



So you would raise small/build a pot in live cash game with premiums? If not then we aren't balanaced at all right?

I like to raise biggish in live cash games and think that if we are going to camouflage any range at all then it should be our limp/limp behind range.

yer, basically balancing ur range in a weak game with regs you wont play enough hands with for them to adjust properly (if they adjust at all, if there is a correct adjustment/if they make the correct adjustment) is sub-optimal. anyone thinking balance is important here is way off the mark i think.

I disagree, I think even from playing 50 hands with someone if they do something different in a similar spot then I can have a read on them straight away. I've played a tonnnnnnnnnnne of live cash in 2011 and think the reason why I'm doing so well is because people aren't balanced. I actually think that thinking you dont need to be balanced in a live cash game is a pretty big mistake if you have 1-3 decent regs on table.
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2011, 02:29:15 PM »

But the main assumption of the entire thread was that no-one on the table was decent. Balancing on most of these 50/1 tables is pointless. The ones with decent regs on yeh, u need to adjust and can't do  stuff like this.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2011, 08:37:55 AM »

Not so sure about the blinds but in position this is great. Give the stacks are even somewhat deep you shouldn't be limping your set mine hands even in the middle of a cascade. You want to drive out the button and get all the OOP limpers to call. The preflop raise gives you a pretty big psychological advantage (check to the raiser nonsense) as well as making you far more money when you do flop a set.

Thinking about the blinds I think it's works there too. You won't be picking up flops postflop nearly as much but imo raise pre then cbet into 5 players gets less respect than complete/check then suddenly wake up and donk into 5 players even the biggest fish should get suspicious in the second instance. You'll still get paid off some cos lol fish but it's rare you'll get 3 streets. They've seen a preflop raiser bluff AK for 3 streets on a 5 8 2 flop after raising pre but they've rarely seen someone donk bluff 3 streets in a limped pot. Even the mouthbreahers can recognise patterns.

Say you're in he BB for £2, if you make it £7 expecting everyone to call you need to make 8 * 5 or £40 more than you would just limping every time you flop a set. I think you do.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2011, 08:40:48 AM »

Also add in the fact that any play that differentiates you from the standard reg lines has value. Forget about balance live poker is about exploitative play but showing up with something unexpected every now and then works wonders.
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