Things that piss you off!

[boldie]

its unaceptable at any work place, public or private sector.  Makes not difference, you have the right to tell them to F off if you getting screwed.

Private sector workers do nothing about it, then moan when public sector workers do stand up for themselves.

 That's the difference!

FYP

lol @standing up for themselves. Running the country in to the ground, more like.

It's the same as the BA pillocks that keep threatening strikes...they don't care about the good of the company or the company's long term future. I hope they all find themselves unemployed.

A thing that pisses me off is idiots like this

Max Hyde, NUT national executive member, said the public sector was being punished by the actions of reckless bankers among others. “The Lord Hutton report on pension reform shows clearly there is no pensions crisis. The audit office also says there’s no problems and a parliamentary select committee say there’s no problem so my question to the Government is, ‘what is the problem?’”

REALLY???

Also fed up with people who say "It wasn't us that caused the crisis, why should we have to pay for it?"


All in all just fed up with coffee-table socialists who only stand up for themselves and don't give a crap about the country as a whole.

The current teachers’ pension scheme means teachers pay six-and-a-half per cent of their monthly salary into a pension pot, while the Government pays 13-and-a-half per cent.

And they think this is sustainable with everyone getting older and living longer?
The cost of paying for teachers' pensions is forecast to rise from around £5bn in 2005 to almost £10bn by 2015 (Source The Guardian 14-06-11)

And considering the, alledged, poor state of British education I think quite a few teachers simply don't deserve a deal as good as they are getting now.

[outragous76]

thanks boldie - saved me from having to do it!

[boldie]

thanks boldie - saved me from having to do it!

No worries, it just really tilts me.

[Woodsey]

its unaceptable at any work place, public or private sector.  Makes not difference, you have the right to tell them to F off if you getting screwed.

Private sector workers do nothing about it, then moan when public sector workers do stand up for themselves.

 That's the difference!

FYP

lol @standing up for themselves. Running the country in to the ground, more like.

It's the same as the BA pillocks that keep threatening strikes...they don't care about the good of the company or the company's long term future. I hope they all find themselves unemployed.

A thing that pisses me off is idiots like this

Max Hyde, NUT national executive member, said the public sector was being punished by the actions of reckless bankers among others. “The Lord Hutton report on pension reform shows clearly there is no pensions crisis. The audit office also says there’s no problems and a parliamentary select committee say there’s no problem so my question to the Government is, ‘what is the problem?’”

REALLY???

Also fed up with people who say "It wasn't us that caused the crisis, why should we have to pay for it?"


All in all just fed up with coffee-table socialists who only stand up for themselves and don't give a crap about the country as a whole.

The current teachers’ pension scheme means teachers pay six-and-a-half per cent of their monthly salary into a pension pot, while the Government pays 13-and-a-half per cent.

And they think this is sustainable with everyone getting older and living longer?
The cost of paying for teachers' pensions is forecast to rise from around £5bn in 2005 to almost £10bn by 2015 (Source The Guardian 14-06-11)

And considering the, alledged, poor state of British education I think quite a few teachers simply don't deserve a deal as good as they are getting now.

Fuck me 13.5%? They should match employees contribution at best 

[Acidmouse]

its unaceptable at any work place, public or private sector.  Makes not difference, you have the right to tell them to F off if you getting screwed.

Private sector workers do nothing about it, then moan when public sector workers do stand up for themselves.

 That's the difference!

FYP

lol @standing up for themselves. Running the country in to the ground, more like.

It's the same as the BA pillocks that keep threatening strikes...they don't care about the good of the company or the company's long term future. I hope they all find themselves unemployed.

A thing that pisses me off is idiots like this

Max Hyde, NUT national executive member, said the public sector was being punished by the actions of reckless bankers among others. “The Lord Hutton report on pension reform shows clearly there is no pensions crisis. The audit office also says there’s no problems and a parliamentary select committee say there’s no problem so my question to the Government is, ‘what is the problem?’”

REALLY???

Also fed up with people who say "It wasn't us that caused the crisis, why should we have to pay for it?"


All in all just fed up with coffee-table socialists who only stand up for themselves and don't give a crap about the country as a whole.

The current teachers’ pension scheme means teachers pay six-and-a-half per cent of their monthly salary into a pension pot, while the Government pays 13-and-a-half per cent.

And they think this is sustainable with everyone getting older and living longer?
The cost of paying for teachers' pensions is forecast to rise from around £5bn in 2005 to almost £10bn by 2015 (Source The Guardian 14-06-11)

And considering the, alledged, poor state of British education I think quite a few teachers simply don't deserve a deal as good as they are getting now.

If you want to be specific then regarding teachers, if you take their actual hourly pay then it is close to min wage, one of the main reasons you work for the public sector is to get these perks to offset the shit pay.  If you pay penuts, you get monkeys. Why would anyone spend 50hrs a week teaching and marking for 25k a year and no perks? If you continue trimming these perks and not improving their basic pay then you will only attract idiot teachers and all the best will leave the proffession or teach at private schools. I taught at a school/college, I doubled my wage for a piss easy IT job. Teaching just aint worth the hassle unless you knew it would be worth it for the good pensions/holidays etc...

Its easy whine about people making a fuss for their rights but making general sweeping statements about public sector workers is as tilting as boshi going on about God. Whine about whiners?

[Woodsey]

its unaceptable at any work place, public or private sector.  Makes not difference, you have the right to tell them to F off if you getting screwed.

Private sector workers do nothing about it, then moan when public sector workers do stand up for themselves.

 That's the difference!

FYP

lol @standing up for themselves. Running the country in to the ground, more like.

It's the same as the BA pillocks that keep threatening strikes...they don't care about the good of the company or the company's long term future. I hope they all find themselves unemployed.

A thing that pisses me off is idiots like this

Max Hyde, NUT national executive member, said the public sector was being punished by the actions of reckless bankers among others. “The Lord Hutton report on pension reform shows clearly there is no pensions crisis. The audit office also says there’s no problems and a parliamentary select committee say there’s no problem so my question to the Government is, ‘what is the problem?’”

REALLY???

Also fed up with people who say "It wasn't us that caused the crisis, why should we have to pay for it?"


All in all just fed up with coffee-table socialists who only stand up for themselves and don't give a crap about the country as a whole.

The current teachers’ pension scheme means teachers pay six-and-a-half per cent of their monthly salary into a pension pot, while the Government pays 13-and-a-half per cent.

And they think this is sustainable with everyone getting older and living longer?
The cost of paying for teachers' pensions is forecast to rise from around £5bn in 2005 to almost £10bn by 2015 (Source The Guardian 14-06-11)

And considering the, alledged, poor state of British education I think quite a few teachers simply don't deserve a deal as good as they are getting now.

If you want to be specific then regarding teachers, if you take their actual hourly pay then it is close to min wage, one of the main reasons you work for the public sector is to get these perks to offset the shit pay.  If you pay penuts, you get monkeys. Why would anyone spend 50hrs a week teaching and marking for 25k a year and no perks? If you continue trimming these perks and not improving their basic pay then you will only attract idiot teachers and all the best will leave the proffession or teach at private schools. I taught at a school/college, I doubled my wage for a piss easy IT job. Teaching just aint worth the hassle unless you knew it would be worth it for the good pensions/holidays etc...

Your way underestimating their pay mate. I have many teacher friends and they all earn between 40-55k depending on their responsibilities. What you quote might be for someone early in their career, which would seem fair.

[gatso]

If you want to be specific then regarding teachers, if you take their actual hourly pay then it is close to min wage

lolz really?

even at the bare minimum starting wage outside of london (£21.6k I think) that would mean they'd have to average 70 hours a week for 52 weeks a year to be on min wage

considering they work nowhere near that many hours, nowhere near that many weeks and most earn a lot more I reckon you could be a touch wrong there

[kinboshi]

its unaceptable at any work place, public or private sector.  Makes not difference, you have the right to tell them to F off if you getting screwed.

Private sector workers do nothing about it, then moan when public sector workers do stand up for themselves.

 That's the difference!

FYP

lol @standing up for themselves. Running the country in to the ground, more like.

It's the same as the BA pillocks that keep threatening strikes...they don't care about the good of the company or the company's long term future. I hope they all find themselves unemployed.

A thing that pisses me off is idiots like this

Max Hyde, NUT national executive member, said the public sector was being punished by the actions of reckless bankers among others. “The Lord Hutton report on pension reform shows clearly there is no pensions crisis. The audit office also says there’s no problems and a parliamentary select committee say there’s no problem so my question to the Government is, ‘what is the problem?’”

REALLY???

Also fed up with people who say "It wasn't us that caused the crisis, why should we have to pay for it?"


All in all just fed up with coffee-table socialists who only stand up for themselves and don't give a crap about the country as a whole.

The current teachers’ pension scheme means teachers pay six-and-a-half per cent of their monthly salary into a pension pot, while the Government pays 13-and-a-half per cent.

And they think this is sustainable with everyone getting older and living longer?
The cost of paying for teachers' pensions is forecast to rise from around £5bn in 2005 to almost £10bn by 2015 (Source The Guardian 14-06-11)

And considering the, alledged, poor state of British education I think quite a few teachers simply don't deserve a deal as good as they are getting now.

If you want to be specific then regarding teachers, if you take their actual hourly pay then it is close to min wage, one of the main reasons you work for the public sector is to get these perks to offset the shit pay.  If you pay penuts, you get monkeys. Why would anyone spend 50hrs a week teaching and marking for 25k a year and no perks? If you continue trimming these perks and not improving their basic pay then you will only attract idiot teachers and all the best will leave the proffession or teach at private schools. I taught at a school/college, I doubled my wage for a piss easy IT job. Teaching just aint worth the hassle unless you knew it would be worth it for the good pensions/holidays etc...

Its easy whine about people making a fuss for their rights but making general sweeping statements about public sector workers is as tilting as boshi going on about God. Whine about whiners?

I don't go on about god (not sure which one you mean anyway), I go on about religion and religious privilege.

By the way, agree with your post, other than that bit.

[nirvana]

Boshi !!!! Your agreeing with a bunch of stuff that doesnt stand up to any analysis... don't be so silly.

Describing public sector workers as needing perks to make up for the shit pay is just bollocky bollocks.

The lowest wages for millions of people are undoubtedly in the private sector

[MANTIS01]

If I went to my gaffer and asked for perks in these tough times he would tell me to get out of his office.

[Acidmouse]

Don’t know what teacher pay in London is but in Leeds 4-5 years ago most were on 20-30k. Head teacher, head of years etc I guess were on 40k+ Put into the mix college teachers are on a lot less. It’s good that those that teaches the most vulnerable and in need is valued much less in colleges.

http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6000186

TEACHERS’ PAY FROM SEPTEMBER 2010
 Scale point   Annual salary England and Wales excluding  London
(band D)   Annual salary inner London area
(band A)   Annual salary outer London area
(band B)   Annual salary Fringe area

      D £              A £           B£              C£
1   21,588   27,000   25,117   22,626
2   23,295   28,408   26,674   24,331
3   25,168   29,889   28,325   26,203
4   27,104   31,446   30,080   28,146
5   29,240   33,865   32,630   30,278
6   31,552   36,387   35,116   32,588

The facts say outside London most are on 20-30k like I said. if normal teachers are on 45-50k then I will work there tomorrow then!

I worked on average 58 hrs a week (marking marking marking) and this was for 44 weeks a year, for 25k which gave me under £10 an hour. Add to this the shit you have to do now, the responsibilities and  looking after the kids, not being able to actually discipline anyone its not worth it.

A lot of the decent teachers I knew left so they could A) have a life B) earn some decent money C) have a less stressful job.

The key thing for teaching is the pension is crucial because frankly you will find it hard to teach past your mid 50's, especially if it’s a high school. The decent pension means most will retire mid 50s and be able to lead a decent lifestyle. Now we can argue the pedantics of how good or bad their pension is and if it is too high but that’s not the point. The issue is they are royally pissed off because the terms and conditions of their pensions they signed up for and worked all their life’s for has been changed coz the governments can’t run the country and skinto. I know I would be angry in any job if halfway through I got shit on.

I know its flavour of the month to bash collective bargaining for the work force, but if done correctly and avoiding strikes (which i am opposed to) it is a great thing and protects the worst paid, most vulnerable in society. We have to be really carful in this country not to follow how some states (Wisconsin) or you will end up no one with any brains wanting to work in the public sector and especially in those jobs that look after, teach and are key to the future.

[Acidmouse]

If I went to my gaffer and asked for perks in these tough times he would tell me to get out of his office.

No one is though..esp not in the public sector. Most have had theirs reduced and pay frozen since 2007.

[Woodsey]

Don’t know what teacher pay in London is but in Leeds 4-5 years ago most were on 20-30k. Head teacher, head of years etc I guess were on 40k+ Put into the mix college teachers are on a lot less. It’s good that those that teaches the most vulnerable and in need is valued much less in colleges.

http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6000186

TEACHERS’ PAY FROM SEPTEMBER 2010
 Scale point   Annual salary England and Wales excluding  London
(band D)   Annual salary inner London area
(band A)   Annual salary outer London area
(band B)   Annual salary Fringe area

      D £              A £           B£              C£
1   21,588   27,000   25,117   22,626
2   23,295   28,408   26,674   24,331
3   25,168   29,889   28,325   26,203
4   27,104   31,446   30,080   28,146
5   29,240   33,865   32,630   30,278
6   31,552   36,387   35,116   32,588

The facts say outside London most are on 20-30k like I said. if normal teachers are on 45-50k then I will work there tomorrow then!

I worked on average 58 hrs a week (marking marking marking) and this was for 44 weeks a year, for 25k which gave me under £10 an hour. Add to this the shit you have to do now, the responsibilities and  looking after the kids, not being able to actually discipline anyone its not worth it.

A lot of the decent teachers I knew left so they could A) have a life B) earn some decent money C) have a less stressful job.

The key thing for teaching is the pension is crucial because frankly you will find it hard to teach past your mid 50's, especially if it’s a high school. The decent pension means most will retire mid 50s and be able to lead a decent lifestyle. Now we can argue the pedantics of how good or bad their pension is and if it is too high but that’s not the point. The issue is they are royally pissed off because the terms and conditions of their pensions they signed up for and worked all their life’s for has been changed coz the governments can’t run the country and skinto. I know I would be angry in any job if halfway through I got shit on.

I know its flavour of the month to bash collective bargaining for the work force, but if done correctly and avoiding strikes (which i am opposed to) it is a great thing and protects the worst paid, most vulnerable in society. We have to be really carful in this country not to follow how some states (Wisconsin) or you will end up no one with any brains wanting to work in the public sector and especially in those jobs that look after, teach and are key to the future.

Well yes they are all head of depts etc and have been in the game 15 years or so. What do you expect? £35k+ after just a few short years? Most in the private sector don't get that and have none of your excessive benefits, and yes many work the hours you do so don't think your special............

The pensions take the piss and need sorting out now, too good for way too long..........

[Acidmouse]

I dont expect anything, i told you the facts and you told me a much higher figure which is not backed up from the offical government stats. I dont expect them to get huge wages, I expect them to get the pension they signed up for a worked for and not be mocked for complaining like they are somehow bitching over nothing.

[Woodsey]

I dont expect anything, i told you the facts and you told me a much higher figure which is not backed up from the offical government stats. I dont expect them to get huge wages, I expect them to get the pension they signed up for a worked for and not be mocked for complaining like they somehow are bitching over nothing.

The show me the rates for people with longer service who have significant responsibility?

Also you need to pro rata it up for the excessive holiday they get to make it fair to compare to private sector pay.