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« Reply #330 on: July 02, 2011, 07:02:07 PM »

I dont expect anything, i told you the facts and you told me a much higher figure which is not backed up from the offical government stats. I dont expect them to get huge wages, I expect them to get the pension they signed up for a worked for and not be mocked for complaining like they somehow are bitching over nothing.

The show me the rates for people with longer service who have significant responsibility? Also if you need to pro rata it up for the excessive holiday they get to make it fair to the private sector.

I gave you the average wages for normal teachers, is this not enough? you want to know the top 10% after 20 years service to make your point they aint been screwed over pensions valid?
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« Reply #331 on: July 02, 2011, 07:10:06 PM »

From http://www.tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/pay-and-benefits.aspx

Obv a sales pitch to try and get people in to teaching but the nrs add up;

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With starting salaries matching what you'd receive in many other professions, your experience and performance can see you achieve rapid progression, and enjoy the financial rewards to match.

Once you have completed your initial teacher training (ITT) and achieved qualified teacher status (QTS), you can expect to start as a newly qualified teacher (NQT) in England and Wales on £21,588 a year (or £27,000 if you work in inner London).

Main pay scale including NQTs:

    London fringe: £22,626 to £32,588
    Outer London: £25,117 to £35,116
    Inner London: £27,000 to £36,387
    Rest of England and Wales: £21,588 to £31,552

Page; http://www.tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/teaching-salary-scales.aspx


This page outlines the basic salary scales for all teachers from September 2010:

   England and Wales (excluding London and fringes)   Inner London   Outer London   London fringes
Leadership group
Max (headteachers)    £105,097    £112,181    £108,070    £106,137
Min (headteachers)    £42,379    £49,466    £45,351    £43,416
Min    £37,461    £44,540    £40,433    £38,493
Advanced skills teachers
Max    £56,950    £64,036    £59,925    £57,985
Min    £37,461    £44,540    £40,433    £38,493
Post-threshold pay scale
Max    £36,756    £45,000    £40,433    £37,795
Min    £34,181    £41,497    £37,599    £35,218
Main pay scale
Max    £31,552    £36,387    £35,116    £32,588
Min    £21,588    £27,000    £25,117    £22,626
Unqualified teachers
Max    £25,016    £29,088    £27,992    £26,052
Min    £15,817    £19,893    £18,789    £16,856

Compare that to average british income;

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1709280/Best-paid-jobs-A-guide-UK-salaries.html states;

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Private sector; The average salary has risen by just 0.3% to £25,900 up from £25,800 where the wage for full-time employees rose by 2.6%.

compare that to Average public sector employees;

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The Office for National Statistics said public sector workers enjoyed average rises of up to 3% to £554 a week in 2010. This is up from £538 in 2009 and brings the average median gross annual salary for public sector employees to £28,808

To say you need a better pension deal because working after 50 is tough is just not on, IMO. I find it tough working now, it's not going to be an easier when I'm over 50 either. People have to accept that we will live longer, on average, and the pension will therefore have to last longer. It will be more expensive and it will now be too expensive to keep the current pension deals in place.

This is not just about teachers BTW this goes for all public sector workers.
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« Reply #332 on: July 02, 2011, 07:11:26 PM »

I dont expect anything, i told you the facts and you told me a much higher figure which is not backed up from the offical government stats. I dont expect them to get huge wages, I expect them to get the pension they signed up for a worked for and not be mocked for complaining like they somehow are bitching over nothing.

The show me the rates for people with longer service who have significant responsibility? Also if you need to pro rata it up for the excessive holiday they get to make it fair to the private sector.

I gave you the average wages for normal teachers, is this not enough? you want to know the top 10% after 20 years service to make your point they aint been screwed over pensions valid?

I was just making the point that those salaries are fine for what they do, they all need to something to work for and aspire to to earn extra money. There is opportunity to earn extra if the take on more responsibility, my friends do but they go out of their way to do it.

For what they do I think what they get is fair, but their pensions are totally excessive as with many public sector workers.
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« Reply #333 on: July 02, 2011, 07:17:07 PM »

But the point is not if their pension is fair or not. Its weather you can change the terms and conditions off anyone’s pension after they worked under the assumption it would be a certain level when they retire. Public, private, or whoever I would deem this a lame move on behalf of the employer if it was done to me.



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« Reply #334 on: July 02, 2011, 07:18:44 PM »

But the point is not if their pension is fair or not. Its weather you can change the terms and conditions off anyone’s pension after they worked under the assumption it would be a certain level when they retire. Public, private, or whoever I would deem this a lame move on behalf of the employer.



Mine and many of my friends got changed with out any input from us, why should teachers be different?
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« Reply #335 on: July 02, 2011, 07:19:34 PM »

Teachers work 9-3 Monday to Friday and take 12 weeks holiday +

Sick rubs in this thread... Try working proper hours !

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« Reply #336 on: July 02, 2011, 07:19:44 PM »

Then did you take the advice from this thread and leave or quit? did you think it was right they did it to you?
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« Reply #337 on: July 02, 2011, 07:20:19 PM »

Teachers work 9-3 Monday to Friday and take 12 weeks holiday +

Sick rubs in this thread... Try working proper hours !



Yes soviet..go troll another thread..Mr Banker. Ohh wait didnt you post on here and delete it about not getting promotion in a bank? wow you having hard life.
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« Reply #338 on: July 02, 2011, 07:21:21 PM »

Then did you take the advice from this thread and leave or quit? did you think it was right they did it to you?

My place of work changed our pension without consultation. We grumbled but just got on with our jobs.

Some people probably left.
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« Reply #339 on: July 02, 2011, 07:21:57 PM »

Then did you take the advice from this thread and leave or quit? did you think it was right they did it to you?

No because anywhere u move to is pretty much the same nowadays, they have all been shifted downwards. I started on a final salary pension, lol to that nowadays, its just the way of the world and totally unaffordable for most companies.
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« Reply #340 on: July 02, 2011, 07:22:05 PM »

You fuked the country, no sympathy for banking here or in the Uk for the next 50 years.
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« Reply #341 on: July 02, 2011, 07:22:20 PM »

Teachers work 9-3 Monday to Friday and take 12 weeks holiday +

Sick rubs in this thread... Try working proper hours !



What.
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« Reply #342 on: July 02, 2011, 07:23:17 PM »

Then did you take the advice from this thread and leave or quit? did you think it was right they did it to you?

No because anywhere u move to is pretty much the same nowadays, they have all been shifted downwards. I started on a final salary pension, lol to that nowadays, its just the way of the world and totally unaffordable for most companies.

I agree its pretty norm these days, I dont mind if they have the new lower pension for new starters and people joining it but to change it close to someone retiring is different.
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« Reply #343 on: July 02, 2011, 07:23:21 PM »

Teachers work 9-3 Monday to Friday and take 12 weeks holiday +

Sick rubs in this thread... Try working proper hours !



Yes soviet..go troll another thread..Mr Banker. Ohh wait didnt you post on here and delete it about not getting promotion in a bank? wow you having hard life.

Nice touch. I'm not sure if your looking to get personal so I will avoid jokes about Warcraft.
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« Reply #344 on: July 02, 2011, 07:24:08 PM »

You fuked the country, no sympathy for banking here or in the Uk for the next 50 years.

Haha sure did
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