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« on: July 02, 2011, 03:06:47 PM »

Day 1a Deepstack

Level 6  150/300 25 just about to go 200/400 25
FWIW i lose the hand to runner runner house having hit my flush on the turn which gives him a set.
Im not worried about this more the line thoughts please as i seem to put myself in some spots with these holdings so is it a fold pre or to the 3b.

Me 29000
Villain 17875

Villain has just come to table 2 hands ago, i have been active in position as although i had Sunil Mistri to my right the next 2 players were good blinds for me imo, so i have been able to chip up fairly easily without to many probs except 2 heroes from villains lines which made no sense but the villain has not seen these. Villain is a local to where im from and will definately perceive me to be Lag so will play back at me with strong and weak holdings but post flop is defo fit or fold type player.

Action folds to me in C/O i make it 750 with  and button folds, villain 3b to 1900 i decide to peel  (is this ok?) as i feel i will take this pot a lot of the time on the flop or turn.

Flop    two spades
Villain leads for 1900 i 3 bet to 3900 i now put his range at over pairs, a set,  or least likely  combos ( again thoughts please?)
Villain 4b ships for a further 12075
Easy call with 11000 back if we lose the hand going into next level?
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2011, 03:49:06 PM »

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No.

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Edit: You didn't 3bet the flop either. He bet, you raised, he 3bet shoved the flop. Sorry to be pedantic but stuff like that annoys me!
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2011, 03:54:42 PM »

if you are going to peel this type of hand you can NEVER fold that flop to any action. What you hoping for?

oh and fold pre, and def fold to 3b
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2011, 04:37:46 PM »

Fold preflop
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2011, 05:07:17 PM »

Preflop raise is fine.

Don't call the 3bet tho as tempting as it is.

Get it in on this flop.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2011, 05:55:20 PM »

I would call villain's donk on the flop. You have position, chip advantage, and pair f/d combo. Wouldn't really be happy to get it all in on the flop vs the sort of range you're asigning to villain. Half pot bet seems like a a reasonable controlled price with your advantages. I don't think you ever get it in on the flop in great shape but you can still easily win the pot on later streets and with further info.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 06:48:49 PM »

Is the peel in position really that tez?

Get it in now obv.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2011, 09:39:19 PM »

Hey mate,

I think if we are confident playing in position then its an ok hand, especially if we are not doing it with implied odds (I,e we're calling in position to own rather than double up if we have a set)

Flop we can't fold. Do we have to raise? Not necessarily. Is raising bad? Never.

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2011, 11:32:11 PM »

Hey mate,

I think if we are confident playing in position then its an ok hand, especially if we are not doing it with implied odds (I,e we're calling in position to own rather than double up if we have a set)

Flop we can't fold. Do we have to raise? Not necessarily. Is raising bad? Never.

UL mate Smiley

emailing you something tonight btw.
Thx m8   yeah its definately more of an own, i know we cant ever fold the flop having played this hand i just wanted to see how many of the regs a) raise and peel the c/o with this and b) bet size and re=raise on flop.
So far the peeps who i would respect have said what i thought they would.

Will look out for email tomorrow
cheers bud
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2011, 12:29:42 AM »

I would call villain's donk on the flop. You have position, chip advantage, and pair f/d combo. Wouldn't really be happy to get it all in on the flop vs the sort of range you're asigning to villain. Half pot bet seems like a a reasonable controlled price with your advantages. I don't think you ever get it in on the flop in great shape but you can still easily win the pot on later streets and with further info.

I hope this post is a level!

There is a good chance that we are getting it in with 14 pure outs which puts us at 52%

If he has the fd and 2 overs (unlikely IMO) we are currently ahead with blockers

If you aren't happy getting it in on this flop then you must run like god
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2011, 12:50:55 AM »

I would call villain's donk on the flop. You have position, chip advantage, and pair f/d combo. Wouldn't really be happy to get it all in on the flop vs the sort of range you're asigning to villain. Half pot bet seems like a a reasonable controlled price with your advantages. I don't think you ever get it in on the flop in great shape but you can still easily win the pot on later streets and with further info.

I hope this post is a level!

There is a good chance that we are getting it in with 14 pure outs which puts us at 52%

If he has the fd and 2 overs (unlikely IMO) we are currently ahead with blockers

If you aren't happy getting it in on this flop then you must run like god

This is a deepstack event and we have about 100 bb's. We are at a comfortable table and we are chipping up easily vs soft blinds without any great risk. We prob see ourselves as one of the better players with a decent edge to exploit. Villain came to the table 2 hands ago so we are pretty clueless. All things considered I don't think getting a big chunk of our stack in with 52% is a very good spot for us in this tournament. That's not to say I don't think we wont win the hand, just that gambling big chunks with 52% seems rather unnecessary and reckless. So sorry it wasn't the level you were hoping for.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2011, 12:58:03 AM »

This hand is not 100 bigs effective

Villain can fold

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2011, 03:10:38 AM »

The open is fine but 4bet is much better than peel here if you think he's capable of 3betting light

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Villain is a local to where im from and will definately perceive me to be Lag so will play back at me with strong and weak holdings but post flop is defo fit or fold type player.

These are pretty contradictory. You need a pretty specific read to peg him as able to 3bet you light pre but play fit or fold post. I'd say its more likely that he's just as nitty pre as he is post so you should just fold to the 3bet.

Its really easy to level yourself into getting it in light just because you've been playing pretty laggy but not everyone adjusts to try and exploit your laggyness (thats not even a word), especially live.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2011, 11:50:56 AM »

This hand is not 100 bigs effective

Villain can fold



Sure, we can force villain to fold a worse hand. I still don't see the advantages.
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2011, 11:56:14 AM »

This hand is not 100 bigs effective

Villain can fold



Sure, we can force villain to fold a worse hand. I still don't see the advantages.

er wut?

picking up 26 bbs uncontested?
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